this post was submitted on 10 Aug 2023
685 points (95.7% liked)
Lemmy Shitpost
26727 readers
3872 users here now
Welcome to Lemmy Shitpost. Here you can shitpost to your hearts content.
Anything and everything goes. Memes, Jokes, Vents and Banter. Though we still have to comply with lemmy.world instance rules. So behave!
Rules:
1. Be Respectful
Refrain from using harmful language pertaining to a protected characteristic: e.g. race, gender, sexuality, disability or religion.
Refrain from being argumentative when responding or commenting to posts/replies. Personal attacks are not welcome here.
...
2. No Illegal Content
Content that violates the law. Any post/comment found to be in breach of common law will be removed and given to the authorities if required.
That means:
-No promoting violence/threats against any individuals
-No CSA content or Revenge Porn
-No sharing private/personal information (Doxxing)
...
3. No Spam
Posting the same post, no matter the intent is against the rules.
-If you have posted content, please refrain from re-posting said content within this community.
-Do not spam posts with intent to harass, annoy, bully, advertise, scam or harm this community.
-No posting Scams/Advertisements/Phishing Links/IP Grabbers
-No Bots, Bots will be banned from the community.
...
4. No Porn/Explicit
Content
-Do not post explicit content. Lemmy.World is not the instance for NSFW content.
-Do not post Gore or Shock Content.
...
5. No Enciting Harassment,
Brigading, Doxxing or Witch Hunts
-Do not Brigade other Communities
-No calls to action against other communities/users within Lemmy or outside of Lemmy.
-No Witch Hunts against users/communities.
-No content that harasses members within or outside of the community.
...
6. NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that is NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that might be distressing should be kept behind NSFW tags.
...
If you see content that is a breach of the rules, please flag and report the comment and a moderator will take action where they can.
Also check out:
Partnered Communities:
1.Memes
10.LinuxMemes (Linux themed memes)
Reach out to
All communities included on the sidebar are to be made in compliance with the instance rules. Striker
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
"Jews" for Jesus and Messianic "Judaism" were invented to lure Jews into Christianity. They are Christians who want to be quirky.
Jesus intended his movement to be for Jews, as a Jewish reformation of their own faith. Paul was the one that changed it and made it for gentiles.
Jesus seemingly believed himself to be a prophet. He titles himself "son of man" which God called the prophet Jeremiah, and he says "a prophet is not welcome in his hometown" when he went home and no one took him seriously. He was mislabeled, and only the gospel written over a hundred years after (John) made him out to be literally God. Nowhere in the first and oldest (Mark) does he ever make any claims of the sort.
Paul was likely a Roman plant (he was Herodian, and converted suspiciously quickly while simultaneously preaching contradictory messages compared to Jesus.) So his attempts to keep the movement alive were focused primarily on outsiders, since it was clear that the Jewish people weren't convinced and converting to "the way" in significant numbers.
Funny that, the people who are literally from the place where it happened don't consider it to be true but a metric fuck ton of people who got second or third hand accounts do. Hmmm... If that was anything but Christianity, Christians would be able to see the flaw in that a mile away.
What would the Romans have hoped to gain by letting someone proselytize that notoriously incompatible-with-the-pantheon religion to the layfolk?
Nothing, they hoped Paul would (and if you compare his teachings with the gospels, he was successful) subvert the movement from the anti-organized religion countercultural message of Jesus into something that would either die out or become a tool for them to weaponize.
Every Messianic Jew I've ever met has been born into that religion. Maybe there are some Jews who convert and become Messianic Jews, but I think it's rare.