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It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk He’s telling us what he will do to his political enemies if he’s president again. Is anyone listening?

I feel pretty safe in saying that we can now stop giving him the benefit of that particular doubt. His use—twice; once on social media, and then repeated in a speech—of the word “vermin” to describe his political enemies cannot be an accident. That’s an unusual word choice. It’s not a smear that one just grabs out of the air. And it appears in history chiefly in one context, and one context only.

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[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Innocent until proven guilty. It's important to remember that.

However, I'd argue the President of the United States should be held to a higher standard than merely "not convicted."

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hasn't he now said things in open court multiple times that would be taken as direct admissions coming from anyone else?

[–] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm civil court. I don't think he's testified in any criminal cases yet. Maybe I'm wrong.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm civil court

Nice to meet you

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Guys, what else do you say to anthropomorphic personifications?

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

WE WILL BE BACK TOMORROW, COME BINKY.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Wouldn't matter, as long as it's entered in open court it's admissable as evidence.

[–] SheDiceToday@eslemmy.es 1 points 10 months ago

Statements in civil court are admissible. He is allowed to take the 5th if it concerns criminal activity, it's just a bad thing because in civil court the worst is assumed of what was asked.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Not convicted" is actually not a requirement. Being a natural born US citizen and at least 35 of age are the only ones, although specific convictions could bar him from holding specific offices.

If all of his lawsuits remain undecided until the elections there is nothing stopping him (and presumably finding a way to pardon himself ex post facto somehow).

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

He will appeal any and everything. He's litigious and has enough funds to run this for a while.

He's also a former president so he'll count on special standing.

Convictions may - or should - move votes, but I fully expect him to be on ballots throughout the nation next year. A few states may use the 14th Amendment, but if any states prevail in that, I don't expect they were likely to go for him anyhow.

Someone will tell me I'm wrong, but states that want Trump enough do shady things. Also, anyone coming here with a sirens song about how Trump will be convicted and the DOJ really knows this matters... Let's see how this goes. I'm sure they're serious. I'm also sure the justice system will give him every chance to prove himself not guilty.

We must beat him at the ballot box. And we should prepare that way.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

He's litigious and has enough funds to run this for a while.

That's actually a big question especially if his businesses are seized.

[–] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He's been pulling millions in donations for his legal defense. He won't have a problem there.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Claimed and he's under investigation for the use of those funds. Similarly he hasn't paid his legal team, it's a big issue for them.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

This encapsulates what I've been seeing here.

He will appeal that ruling. They have been trying to set multiple reasons why if should be allowed - and he'll try them all and then some.

The court where this ends (before 2025), is the court of public opinion. Or we get lucky that every layer rejects his claims that an appeal is warranted because x.