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[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Please let me commiserate my miserable misery, Awful dot Systems. So the other day I was flirting with this person—leftie, queer, sexy terrorist vibes, just my type—and asked if they had any plans for the weekend, and they said like, "will be stuck in the lab trying to finish a report lol". They are an academic in an area related to biomedicine, I don't want to get more specific than that. Wanting to be there for emotional support I invited them to talk about their research if they wanted to. The person said,

"Oh I am paying for MULTIPLE CHATGPT ACCOUNTS that I'm using to handle the", I swear to Gods I'm not making this up, "MATHLAB CODE, but I keep getting basic errors, like wrong variable names stuff like that, so I have to do a lot of editing and…". Desperate emphases mine.

And at this point I was literally speechless. I was having flashbacks of back in 2016 when it was this huge scandal that 1 in 5 papers in genetics had data errors because they used Microsoft Excel and it would ‘smartly’ mangle tokens like SEPT2 into a date-time cell. The field has since evolved, of course (=they threw in the towel and renamed the gene to SEPTIN2, and similarly for other tokens that Excel gets too smart about). I was having ominous visions of what the entirety body of published scientific data is about to become.

I considered how otherwise cool this person was and whether I should start a gentle argument, but all I could say was "haha yeah, mathlab is hard".

I feel like a complete and utter blowhard saying this, but now that I told you the story I have no other choice but to blurt it out: I am no longer flirting with this person.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A) "Why pay for ChatGPT when you could get a math grad student (or hell an undergrad for some of the basics) to do it for a couple of craft beers? If you find an applied math student they'd probably help out just for the joy of being acknowledged." -My wife

B) I had not known about the cluster fuck of 2016, but I can't believe it was easier for the entire scientific establishment to rename a gene than to get Microsoft to introduce an option to disable automatic date detection, a feature that has never been actually useful enough to justify the amount it messes things up. I mean, I can believe it, butI it's definitely on the list of proofs that we are not in God's chosen timeline.

[–] alanfleming@mastodon.me.uk 5 points 1 day ago

@YourNetworkIsHaunted Because *they’d* use ChatGPT nowadays then you'd be debugging the same stuff but at one step removed :/

[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

I mean you can set a type for a column even back in 2016, I'm sure, and then it won't actually convert. But if you care about that kind of thing chances are you're using R or something, if you're doing genetics on Excel at all you're probably spamming publish-or-perish, and renaming a bunch of genes was, I think, tragically reasonable to prevent against that kind of research further polluting the data pool.

Which is to say, ChatGPT is an opportunistic infection that spread so far because it found a sick body…

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

mathrix laboratory

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Was mathlab where they did the forensics for MathNet?

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

MATHLAB CODE

Oof ow my heart

[–] Enema_Cowboy@dotnet.social 4 points 1 day ago

@mirrorwitch @BlueMonday1984

"Microsoft Excel...would ‘smartly’ mangle tokens like SEPT2 into a date-time cell."

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