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I do think that is giving liberals and the left too much credit.
A lot of the infighting from among the left during the past election felt pretty artificial, to be perfectly honest, and most of the "Genocide Joe/Holocaust Harris" types seemed to just evaporate after the election ended. Maybe just because there was nothing really left to say after all was said and done, but I just find it hard to believe much of that discourse was in good faith. I'm surprised to read a number as low as 18%, but almost 1 in 5 still isn't nothing.
the absolute rage and betrayal felt by a non-trivial number of diverse, dem leaning coalition members was not artificial in the least and needed no outside aggitation to make it one of thousands of dem self-inflicted papercuts that bled the soul out of dem support.
my family has consistently voted against the fascist monster, but the dems have helped hand the country over to them for decades. the republicans made the monster, but the dems failed to bar the door and seal the windows. neo-liberalism (even by the most gentle definition) is imploding globally in a spectacular way.
The very real push to vote for Trump or not vote at all due to Biden's botched (to say the least) handling of Palestine was not in good faith, though, and I saw that type of rhetoric everywhere.
yeah, agreed on that - gotta consider those as actual bad actors. "on the ground, irl" I didnt see much of it though. not saying in super close races it made no difference, but around here, even the ones disgusted by abhorrent dem behaviour, held their noses and pulled straight dem ticket.
what I do think had a meaningful negative impact was the lack of enthusiasm for the harris campaign as the election neared - not enough outreach and "bring 5 friends" moments. the early relief of "thank fuck its not biden!" was systematically snuffed out.
just a ton of misreading and lost opportunity by Democratic functionaries and we are left with an even more broken world. I am hoping beyond hope that there is a remaking of the Democratic party and a concerted effort, at least on the state level, for an end to first past the post.
You and me both. I am still upset by the fact that my state had RCV on the ballot several years ago but voted it down because the majority-Democrat politicians in office here were afraid to endorse anything that might erode the party's dominance.
God forbid a left-leaning state run the risk of electing actual leftists.
part of it was voter machine manipulation too
the dems were always center right, thier plan was to always grift from the shadows of what the gop is doing blatantly, thats why they have the same donors.
That and all the bad faith arguments about "the Republicans did something terrible; this is all the Democrats' fault".
Sorta, but not to let the Democrats off the hook either, with their uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Chuck Schumer and his conspirators can never be forgiven for agreeing to pass the Trump budget that is now funding his agenda.
Schumer's entire argument that they should play along until Trump's approval rating hits some arbitrarily low number is infuriating, and reeks of the sort of calculated politicking where the only priority is to do whatever it takes to stay in power, rather than to do the right thing. Hope that bites him and the others who voted with him in the ass.
Sure, but the vast, vast majority of the blame should be on the Republicans and their supporters. There were also a ton of people who kept acting like the Republicans didn't control the House during 2023-2024.
I agree that Schumer's political approach and public rationale is awful, but not voting for the budget would've given the Trump admin free reign to do worse on top of blaming the Democrats for it and convincing their supporters. A government shutdown would've given the executive branch more power to manipulate funding, including to things they can't touch without legal challenges otherwise. I'd rather people be able to go after them in the courts, even if they're doing awful stuff that takes longer to reverse.
This is why those senators broke with the party, because a no vote would've been performative and made the situation worse. The yes votes are mostly in states where deprogrammable independents are a meaningful part of the electorate for 2026.
it was artificial, early on in the gaza genocide, the protests were taced right back to putin, it was so blatant that a "muslim, claimed they arnt supporting biden anymore", the only influence muslim has was in michigan, and not the whole voting population.
and then it came out some of the protest were also funded by the likes of seinfelds WIFE.
They didn't go anywhere, I am one of those people, I will happily refer to Joe Biden as "Genocide Joe" for the rest of my life because of what he did in opening the door to the Palestinian Genocide. I also will keep labelling Trump, and Bush and Cheney and the whole lot of them as war criminals and in particular Trump is also even more in support of the Palestinian Genocide than Biden (which isn't a surprise to leftists that centrists think it is? Stop strawmanning the left).
Shame on you for letting the lazy narrative in your head that feels satisfying to pin on leftists become something you actually believe without evidence.
Hasan Piker making a speech to Pro-Palestinian anti-Genocide protestors from two weeks ago.
https://youtu.be/qZ-sXH2ra7k
Sure, I am sure there are Russian bots exploiting the centrist inability to understand how cataclysmic the Palestinian Genocide is for the U.S. and the world, but the centrist position of y'all just casually asking whether most of the anti-genocide voices during the run-up to the election weren't genuine is bullshit.
Do you understand how pathetic and divorced from your humanity it makes you look? This isn't a sports game where you pick teams based on what colors you like or where you are from, this is about being against genocide... of anybody anywhere.
Edit Downvote me and don't bother responding you coward who can't face up to the genocide being directly facilitated and endorsed by the U.S.
I didn't downvote you, for what that's worth, so I hope that's not directed at me. But shame on me regardless I guess.
Im sorry, that is intended for the silent down voters then, my point still stands tho.
You seem well reasoned. I would not complain about downvoting though as it looks bad.
Downvoted for the pure fact you whined about people downvoting you.
We are talking about a genocide and you want to focus on tone policing me?
sorry, some of the redditors still kept their attitude while going to lemmy
Yup