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"China is the future, do you agree?" (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 days ago by Objection@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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How would you answer this, and how would you expect Chinese netizens on Xiaohongshu to answer?

I will link to the thread in the comments because I want you to take a moment and think about it first.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Don't know why you're lionizing anti-communist nationalists as the "true China." The KMT were brutal nationalists, just because they preceded the Communists doesn't make siding with far-right nationalists the answer. If the RoC were to capture the PRC, the people fearing China becoming an Empire would have their fears cemented in reality.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Taiwan/RoC is not currently ruled by the KMT though. (Nor is today's KMT very comparable to what they were many decades ago)

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The KMT is where the origins of RoC as "true China" come from. Outside of the KMT, there are no claims of the RoC as anything resembling a "legitimate heir to China," only the KMT as the former rulers of the mainland. When someone says RoC is "true China," they are lionizing the KMT and upholding its legitimacy over the Communist Party of China for governance of the mainland.

Calling the RoC "true China" without mentioning the KMT is silly, there's no basis for that claim without upholding the KMT's roots.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Or they may just be pushing back on the idea that the PRC has legitimate claim to the nation of Taiwan. People online like to say it because they know it upsets the PRC government. Basically, it asks the question, "What makes the PRC any more the "True China" than Taiwan?"

Truthfully, neither nation is "true China", and neither are the nations that they were years ago. No one in Taiwan today holds any belief that the ROC government is the rightful government of the mainland in exile.

But Taiwan is unable to be widely recognized as a sovereign nation in its own right to this day because the government of the PRC is still sticking to the "manifest destiny" sort of idea that there is a single, ideal land of China rooted in its imperial legacy, which for some reason the current mainland government feels they have an obligation to claim.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why do you think it upsets the people of the PRC to say that the RoC is "true China?" Do you think it might just have to do with the fact that the far-right nationalists that used to rule China fled there after the Communist revolution? Could it have anything to do with many people of China giving their lives to throw off the KMT?