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Yep. Quite a few of them have gone quiet, I've noticed. Not one of them has apologized for their cloying sanctimony before the election, no matter how wrong it was.
They have gone quiet because the project is now wound down. Dufus is in the white house, so they have been moved to a new task.
They've moved on to directly attacking trans people and bipoc
Yep. Well, most of them. Some seem to still be sticking with, and even doubling down, on the stupid and immoral position, although they frame it as being morally superior to everyone else. 🤣
You guys sound like the bots to me. Defending the genocidal politicians and the system that keeps them in power. That stain will never wash off, no matter what shit you try to sling at everyone else. Moral compromise like yours is why this world is broken.
Palestinian leaders begged US citizens to vote for Kamala Harris. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is the correct choice.
I'm not quiet, my comments just keep getting deleted, and only the comments pretending I said something else get to stay.
As ever I will not take any lectures on morality from anyone who watched a politician arm a genocide and voted for them (or their VP) anyway. We had multiple non-Trump candidates, you all picked the biggest genocidal scumbag Nazi traitor out of all of them - both in the primaries and the general - and you lost. Blame yourselves for rallying behind a monster.
P.S., nobody said "the exact same". You all just love rolling that out, but at the same time can't even acknowledge exactly WHAT similarity it implies, that two "opposing" politicians both UNQUESTIONINGLY PARTICIPATE IN A GENOCIDE. Really, finally, at long last here - take a minute out of your life and seriously ask yourself - HOW THE FUCK DID THAT HAPPEN? What in god's name brought us to that situation? Because if you can't explain that, you don't understand anything about what's happening.
I sincerely hope that each and every one of them is at least capable of feeling guilt. Because I so badly want them to suffer the guilt of having helped caused this. I don’t even care anymore that they refuse to admit it. They know it, I know it- them admitting it doesn’t make it better.
Knowing they feel the full weight of guilt pressing on them for being partially responsible for everything that will happen as a result of their ignorance?
Yeah… That does make it a little better.
The fact that you're focused on attacking leftists trying to make a better world instead of the literal fascists shows how wicked you really are. The fact that you show joy in the suffering of others, no less.
The trolls, etc., on places like Lemmy? I doubt many of them were even genuine in this kind of sentiment - I'm sure some were even foreign actors working to stir up division everywhere, most especially on the left. And if they really hold this position, I have no idea.
It's the people I know IRL that are the ones I'd like to see wake the fuck up. And apologize for their useless bullshit and their tiresome lectures about gEnOcIdE and "bothsides" and just let it all burn down so we can rebuild America in some wholesome perfect way kind of dorm room talk. Yes, American foreign policy is shit and has been for decades before I was even fucking born, and yes, Democrats are often complicit in this. Gaza is hardly anything new, as shocking as it is. Yes, the Democrats are not offering up a perfect pretty pony for them on every single issue.
But now we are going to be blasted with fucking sewage for the next four years, with actual harm coming to at-risk people (which is going to be nearly everyone if it gets bad enough) HERE and foreign policy is going to be much worse, and we can point at people like this and thank them for their part in making it happen.
Muks had/has an actual team for disinformation for x just like im sure many other companies/countries do. Welcome to a post truth society where lies make money and the division is an added bonus.
If you all are going to keep repeating these lazy narratives I demand you back them up with data.
Further, I demand you hold leaders like Biden and Harris accountable for failing to listen to voters, just because you don't like our opinions doesn't mean you can simply ignore us and expect to form a functioning coalition.
Centrism and neoliberalism are dead, everybody has abandoned this category of politician and politics, it is an extinct belief system that brought about an environment it could not survive in. People either want genuine hope and working class politics rooted in a proud sense of leftism/solidarity with the average worker or they want fascism and not the diet kind centrist liberals serve up, a very small amount of people want cowardly, spineless status quo managers who are unable to do anything but try to convince people they are less bad than the really bad guy.
Also, I voted for Harris, all the leftists I know did. You are yelling at random people with intimate connections to Palestinians who couldn't bring themselves to vote for someone who wouldn't even let a Palestinian voice speak at the DNC. That is the fault of the DNC for failing to understand people won't vote for them if they refuse to do ANYTHING of substance to stop a genocide that could have been stopped with a single damn phone call from Biden if he grew a spine or a heart. Leftists recognized the catastrophic consequences of this strategic blunder and attempted to steer the bus away from the cliff but centrists just completely and utterly ignored leftist and Palestinian voices and actively worked to discredit and silence them, often as jeering insults told in the company of Republicans as a way to try to get them to like them for being centrist, as if Republicans would ever vote for a Democrat in any significant number?
......1000 facepalms
Centrism and neoliberalism failed, stop trying to pretend like y'all own the narrative, your strategy and description of how things would pan out failed miserably, and actually nobody else really cares about you whining and blaming others for not voting for a shitty candidate.
Trump is worse than Biden or Harris would have been, we know. We knew that before. You aren't listening if you think that is a big GATCHA to us?
They just moved back into their underground slayers where naysayers are immediately banned.
They will never apologize because they insist they are right and we're wrong. Further they hold the actual left wing voters responsible and claim we are allowing this to happen, we are complicit and we need be held to account. I've been assured that liberals are The Enemy.
For all intents and purposes they need to be placed among the cult of the right. They aren't a logic based lovely. They are not progressives. They are a flavor or authoritarian. They literallly believe their flavor of idealism is the only valid flavor.
They actually remind me of libertarians, where everyone has maximum freedoms for to as they wish so long as they don't use that freedom to form a government. Neither has any doubt. They are 100% they are correct and as any inllectual has told us, that's 100% nonsense.
There is a reason that horseshoe theory is a thing. Though I don't think these people were necessarily on the left, per se, but just maybe more attracted to giving hot takes on nearly everything, politics included, and maybe for a time were associating themselves with leftists.
I can think of at least one person I know who was down for all things crunchy when it came to "health", or getting chakras aligned and going to seminars on the latest guru pitching something about past lives or whatever and kind of generally supported the Green Party (they said, but I'm not sure if they actually voted? I remember asking if they went to the polls, decades ago, and they were like, what?? So I know they didn't vote that time anyway).
And ever since 2015, she has been a full-on, 100% maga zombie. Watching Faux, believing Qanon, all of that shit. She really does think that Hillary and Obama were sex trafficking little kids. She's extended family, but ever since that - she's been cut out of all events, because it's all she wants to talk about. No one can deal with her, not even other Republicans - even if they voted for donvict, too. The irony? She is almost 100% reliant on government handouts.