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Why are the journalist bending over to Musk?

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[โ€“] paultimate14@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Nearly 78 million people voted for this, and another 90 million stayed home and said they didn't care.

The whole point of democracy is to allow everyone to express their opinions through votes instead of violence. So either the election was rigged or the country wanted fascism.

[โ€“] nitefox@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Considering trump sort-of gave an admission of that and there were reports about the hacking of the voting system before, I wouldn't say "rigged elections" is that far off from the truth

[โ€“] paultimate14@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago

Evidence of significantly rigged elections would certainly be a cause for some significant action and demands for a new election.

But I'm not talking about one-off reports of someone using their dead mother's info to cast an illegal second vote. Even a rogue election official tossing a couple dozen ballots doesn't really move the needle. We would need to see evidence of millions, or even tens of millions, of votes being impacted for that.

And I can't really say for sure whether that did or did not happen. But there's not enough evidence to action.

Instead, I look around at my neighbors, even in a blue city, and see tons of Trump signs on lawns, stickers slapped on cars, people wearing hats and T-shirts. That's not enough evidence for me to definitely say there was NOT fraud, or even to confirm that Trump's win is legitimate. But it does affirm that there are real-life people who have fallen for the propaganda. These aren't just Russian spies trolling on the Internet or bots running on Musk's servers to artificially update posts. These are real people who have chosen hatred.

The rigging wasn't done at the polls. (The Democratic and Independent poll watchers would've reported that, and I'm not seeing any of such reports)

The actual manipulation was the constant far-right propaganda made possible by the Citizens United ruling, which allows the rich to spend unlimited amount of money to spend on propaganda. That and voter rolls purges. These things have always happened to some degree throught the history of the US.