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Trump to lift pause on 2,000-pound bomb supply to Israel, Walla News reports
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The undecideds are about as dumb as the maggots. They were told, over and over, that they were effectively voting for a fascist. But they couldn’t imagine that the leopard would eat their faces. Now, that fucking guy will make “Genocide Joe” look like a god damn saint.
Supporting and voting murderers with bloods on their hands is much much worst than being dumb and not voting.
Sound like you haven't seen any footage from inside gaza or you would know that there's no saints in hell.
Refusing to hold Democrats accountable is also voting for Fascism. If your vote is 100% reliable to the Dems, they don't have to do anything to win your vote. And thus, they can completely ignore you and everything you care about. The Dems have moved so far to the right that modern Republican Fascism doesn't seem completely unreasonable to many people by comparison. After all, Democrats firmly embraced what was far-right immigration policy just a few years ago. Democrats have made a hard turn to the right. This has forced Republicans to move even further right into Fascism. And if things continue down this path, with Democrats never being held accountable, eventually both Democrats and Republicans will be overtly Fascist.
That is what happens if a party is never held accountable.
As mentioned oh, so, so, so many times, voting for the least worst option doesn't preclude holding them to account. That part comes after, once democracy is assured.
Except, people voted for cruelty and fascism to really stick it to the Dems. Now there's worse fascism and no democracy.
Good job.
Feel proud.
How are you going to hold them to account after? Theres zero correlation between what the public wants and what the government does. The only moment you have any importance at all is for that one brief instant you vote. Thats all you get in our fake democracy. So I think you're being dishonest.
LOL, sure Jan. Did we just watch the same Biden presidency?
When, precisely, did you expect that day to come?
Holding those in power accountable is a continuous process. It doesn't just happen on a specific day or another. Politically active and concious people protest and raise awareness in an ongoing manner regardless of who is in power. The world didn't end on 5 Nov 2024 or 20 Jan 2025 - fighting for democracy will never stop.
You would know this if you actually put your money where your mouth is, as it were.
And how, precisely, did "holding the Dems accountable" work out after 2016? Did they "learn their lesson"?
They very much did actually. Biden shamelessly just cribbed much of Elizabeth Warren's economic policies. Hillary's loss in 2016 forced him to run on a much more progressive platform in 2020 than he ever would have otherwise.
So all we have to do is leap towards fascism every other term to get baby steps to the left? Doesn't seem very sustainable.
What is your proposal to stop creeping fascism? Because all you seem to want to do is nothing.
Organize. Unify our message, develop platforms to educate, inform, and coordinate action. Quit with the purity tests and infighting.
Fill local offices with leftists so they can build their resumes and demonstrate their capability, and the intrinsic popularity of leftist policy. Elevate those leftists to higher and higher offices, to continue that demonstration at higher and higher domains, until they permeate all levels of government.
But that will take time.
In that time, we need to mitigate damage. That means electing Lesser Evils in races where no leftist has sufficient popularity to win. Petition the Lesser Evil relentlessly, leverage our organization to force their hand when possible, constantly trumpet a unified message on every platform we can. We don't yet have the popularity to do more than that. Once we do, circulate the signal and rush to unified action.
Disparate individuals fighting amongst themselves while they complain to each other might as well be nothing. Spoiling the vote with 3rd parties in races they can't win might as well be nothing. Protest abstention might as well be nothing. Fascism marches in lockstep, disorganization cannot defeat it. Not at the soapbox, not at the ballot box, not in the jury box, not with the ammo box.
Organize, organize, organize. And mitigate damage in the meantime.
That’s a good point. My vote was pragmatic over principle. The dems need to be held accountable, but they won’t. There needs to be a major overhaul of the party, but realistically I don’t see that happening any time soon. For the foreseeable future this is what we are stuck with.
That whole be the change thing is horseshit in this day and age.
So hold them accountable for literally any other office besides president when the opponent is a literal fascist?
So never?
Are Republicans going to stop being Fascist at any time in the foreseeable future? They ran a fascist in 2016, 2020, and 2024. And they have a long line of potential future candidates.
"Don't hold them accountable while running against a fascist" == "never hold them accountable."
And there's no point in going after officers other than the president on this issue. It's not like governors have much control over foreign policy.
The primaries are where the accountability should happen. For the vast, vast majority of elections in the US the winner will be either the Democratic candidate or Republican candidate. And you can turn in primary ballot without voting for any of the candidates. Your participation is then a matter of public record, and campaign managers will be inclined to try and win your vote.
edit - you can also become an actual party member, maybe even a delegate, and vote on leadership.
Democrats do not run democratic primaries. It's why they invented superdelegates and fought for their presumed right to run dirty, undemocratic primaries in court.
It's this simple. Dems knew since their primaries that voters wanted them to stop sending WMD's to Israel. Multiple state level primaries had double-digit percentages of voters that voted "undecided" specifically to communicate that they wanted change on the Israeli genocide.
Democrats just shrugged their shoulders and ignored it.
Well I did say should. So what is your suggestion? Vote third party? By my quick scanning of this page there's are <45 members of state legislatures around the country, out of >7,500 total state legislators. And 2 out of 535 US Congress members. Not voting? They don't care. That's just less time and money they have to spend trying to connect with a potential opposition voter.
Yes, for starters.
Also, do some introspection. Democrats do not support democracy. Despite all the nice things they say, they are fascists. Voting against them is a moral act.
I've been saying it since June. I know I'm shouting into the void. Unless you're willing to go full Player 2 or you're a billionaire, you have no power here.
So how do you plan to succeed with third parties in the face of the cumulative failure of all third parties combined to win even 1% of the offices? In particular in contrast to the recent increase of progressive candidates running for and winning Democratic primaries?
I did, and that's why I stopped voting for any 3rd parties in 2016. I had voted for candidates from all parties prior to then. Because they can't win a large enough scale without electoral reform. And we won't get that by losing all the elections.
So if we're getting fascists either way (because again, the winners of >99% of elections around the country are going to be either the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate), wouldn't voting to prevent the ascension to power of the racist transphobes who are publicly voicing their desire to detransition transgender persons and denaturalize and deport citizens be the moral thing to do?
And I assume people like me have been responding to you the whole time. And your voices were enough to lose the election for the rest of us. So not much a void.
Sorry, I don't understand the Player 2 reference. And since you don't appear to have been paying attention, the billionaires are all winning now (they wanted Trump, they got Trump).
It's laughable that you claim to have done any introspection and still blame 3rd party voters for Democrats losing elections in the same post, as if it wasn't the choice to run a brain dead candidate, ditch said candidate and do zero democracy to find another (granted, as we've established, democrats don't run democratic primaries anyway), and then the replacement candidate spent their whole campaign telling millions of people watching their friends get genocided or working 100 hours a week to live in a roach-infested studio to just be joyful about it.
My brother, we lived through 2016 and the superdelegates. Democrats don't get to punch someone in the face and then complain that they broke their hand, and the votes aren't coming back until they start caring more about workers than they do about finding more money and WMD's for genocide.
And we're not winning just because the person doing the fascism wears a blue pantsuit.
My introspection was that I can't stand by and let bad defeat better simply because best isn't on the ballot, because that will hurt the ones I love.
Can you give me a citation for an incumbent party winning the election with a candidate other than the incumbent? I'm not aware of that every happening. Clinton won the popular vote in the 2016 primaries. That's why I opened up with saying we need more progressive candidates and voters to participate in the primaries. We have more progressive representatives now than we did in 2016 because of Bernie's 2016 campaign, not because of 3rd party voters.
No. But we are farther from it when the President is engaging in trans-denialism and xenophopbia and pardoning convicted seditionists. but by all means, keep letting perfect be the enemy of better. I'm sure some day that will work.
Yes, "held accountable" because you can't imagine a world in which geopolitics means you can't just cut off all support to an ally with an "or else".
The only thing worse than the morons too stupid to see that Trump is going to do what he says, are the morons who think that you can just drop all aid to Israel overnight and nothing will happen. Do any of you have ANY idea how intertwined both our military and tech sectors are?
Reagan threatened Israel with cutting off all aid, unless they play ball. And they did.
Without the US supporting Israel its other allies would also abandon it quickly.
So all the US has to do to make Israel do what the US says is withhold support until Israel obeys.
What Biden did instead was throwing the US to the feet of Israel, at best rambling and making token gestures. So the US halted 2.000 pound bombs? That surely didnt stop Israel from annihilating people in Gaza with the other bombs the US kept delivering.
That's one of my favorite excuses for Democrats breaking promises and/or doing nothing: It's hard. (As if we shouldn't expect the people we elect to do hard things.)
And yes, when Israel wants more WMD's to perpetrate a genocide, I would expect a conscientious president or legislators to do something about it and say no.
They said the same thing about Apartheid South Africa. You think it was easy to cut ties with them? They were also tied into our military industrial complex.
And I find the argument "but it's going to be haaard" despicable.
Do you think apartheid ended overnight?
You're mistaking "it took a long time to end Apartheid" with "we shouldn't even try to end Apartheid."
Huh? What do you think my position here is?
Negotiations to end Apartheid took 6 years (1987 to 1993)! The US started placing sanctions in 1986, and the transition away from Apartheid didn't start until 1990. Apartheid wasn't fully ended until 1994.
They said it was hard to cut ties with them, and they were right. Global politics is harder than, "just do it." Biden didn't solve the genocide in a year, but he was working with a more difficult situation than just cutting off money/weapons. If he does that, then every country around Israel starts taking advantage of it and he has a much bigger situation to deal with. I don't agree with how little Biden did to stop the genocide. I don't agree with Harris not being vocal about putting even more pressure on Israel. But there is more at play than just "don't send weapons."
Voters weren't expecting Biden to issue a complete trade embargo with Israel. What they were expecting was for Biden to FOLLOW US LAW and stop shipping arms to Israel, a country flagrantly violating law. There is a universe of possibilities between "stop sending Israel bombs on our dime" and "turn Israel into Cuba."
You'll notice that started with sanctions. "There will be a long time between pressure and results" isn't an argument to not start the pressure.
They really are out here pretending that Genocide Joe didn't enthusiastically help Israel stack corpses for the last 15 months of his presidency, literally down to the final day.