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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 125 points 1 day ago (7 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_and_Malcolm_Collins

Well that's just a fucking trip of dysfunction.

Just that bit is a lot.

If the population declined and it makes the economy do less well, won't people just have more children like they did the last time the economy was in that state? Every environment has a carrying capacity for the creatures that live in it. It's not uncommon to see fluctuations above and below that equilibrium point.
Instead of pushing people to ignore the factors that cause the limit in humans, like not wanting or needing more children, maybe find a way to organize society so hitting that limit doesn't cause massive problems, or try to eliminate some of the factors creating the limit. It's insanely difficult in our society to have even one child who's healthy, cared for, and prepared for their adult life while also being personally healthy, prepared for old age, and enjoying the variety of pleasures of existence.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 13 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Ironic that they claim all of their decisions are backed by data, but still employ corporal punishment. That's something that had been quite definitively demonstrated to be far less effective than other measures.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Because they like the idea of supporting data but not the reality

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Thank you! I was literally just thinking that.

I also can't let go of how they say every decision is backed "by data." But then what is their data source for using corporal punishment? "I saw lions and tigers use it."

So they think "anecdotes" are the same as "data"? AND that wild predator behaviors are suitable role models for human behaviors? Oh. Oh dear. Oh no.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 6 points 19 hours ago

I wonder if they're aware that male lions will kill the leader of a pride to take his place, and then kill the cubs of that male in order to force the lionesses into estrus? Would they support the same behavior in people? Or is it only the corporal punishment parts?

[–] poplargrove@lemmy.world 24 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely adore this bit from the screenshot:

which is based on Simone's personal observations of lions and tigers on a safari trip.

Sad we have no studies on human children. But thankfully its perfectly reasonable for someone on holiday who's untrained in interpreting big cat behavior to decide whats good for a bunch of animals is good for human kids too.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I let my children eat trash out of dumpsters. I determined it was a good idea after personally observing raccoons while on a park trip.

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 77 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Collinses married after Malcolm proposed on Reddit in 2013.

Crickey

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 22 hours ago

So redditors who deeply believe they're superior are breeding? We're in trouble.

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I just read their wiki page and it is absolutely filled to the brim with crazy wacky shit.

The Collinses do not support transgender health care for youth, but express acceptance for people whom Simone described as "legit trans" as opposed to those who fall into the "trans cult." Simone opposes allowing transgender students to use bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity and to play on sports teams matching their gender identity.

As a trans woman, this stood out to me. I'm not surprised that they are transphobic, but why make the point about "legit trans" and "trans cult?" I assume they consider "legit trans" to be the tiny percentage of transgender people who are right-wing nuts and the "trans cult" are those who aren't. Basically they're just saying "We only support transgender people who want their faces eaten" which is a strange way of phrasing it since usually transphobes tell all of us to go fuck ourselves, including the dumb ones that support the leopards.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's probably more like they can't deny the reality of trans people, but they think that it's a very tiny minority and the rest are just cultists.

You see this same fallacy with autism. Why are there "suddenly" more autistic kids? It isn't because vaccines are giving them autism or something like that. It's because doctors know what to look for to diagnose now.

People fall into this same trap with trans people, because 20 years ago it was extremely rare to meet an out trans person. So, now it looks like they're suddenly everywhere! What could be the cause? A trans cult recruiting people?!

No, it's a cultural shift. Damn, people can be stupid sometimes.

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago

That's a really good point. It's not an evident thing from my perspective because being transgender is so normal to me that I don't know if I would have ever even thought about that.

[–] Ikonaka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Look up trans medicalist they kind of seem to fit in there.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

They're probably supporters of Blanchardian typology. Now as for why so many people go to bat for a sexologist who doesn't believe in bisexuality I'll never understand

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I know about transmeds, and considering that they think medical transitioning is required, I think it would be weird for a transmed to be against blockers and hrt for kids.

[–] migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago

Bla bla managing director bla bla Investor Peter Thiel. OK, I've read enough. Yet another Thiel apprentices.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I encourage everyone to read the entire wiki page as well, and it will make sense why they are the way they are.

[–] prof_wafflez@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Read the wiki - They just seem like rich wankers to me.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

You're saying sometimes you can judge a book by its cover?

Oh good I was worried they would be rich and be doing it for entirely monetary reasons