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Alcohol.

Lots and lots of people lean heavily on it and think that alcohol is the spice of their life. When, it contributes to so many problems than it's so-called benefits. We tried, in America anyways, to outright ban alcohol. Problem was that the person who wanted it banned, was too extremist.

Like he didn't think it all through and think just going for the jugular of the problem is what will work. When, it didn't and just made people work around it until eventually the ban was dismantled.

So, since then, we've been putting up with drunk drivers, drunk disputes, drunk abusers and other issues. I still wish we could just slam our hands down at the desk and demand we sit to discuss in how to properly deal with this issue than people proclaiming that it's not a problem.

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[–] iii@mander.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Alcohol abuse is a symptom of trauma. Trauma begets trauma. That's the thing never solved. Take away alcohol, it'll find another avenue.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Not to mention it occurs naturally in rotting fruit. It would be like attempting to ban photosynthesis.

Are we gonna outlaw yeast, too?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago

Believe me someone will try.

Eventually biology itself will be banned because of how un-controllable it is. All that will be allowed will be silicon components manufactured by a central authority or assembled under centrally-approved code.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

During prohibition in the US, there was inoculated fruit juice being sold with the warning like: "do not leave unattended for 2 weeks at room temperature, as it may ferment".

Stay away from my bread.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Weed is illegal in many parts of the world, as are psychedelic mushrooms.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And those are even harder to make consumable than fruit literally fermenting on a tree, or yeast getting into some sugary drink.

So unless we’re gonna get rid of leavened bread and cut down every Marula tree we’re not getting rid of alcohol.

[–] J4g2F@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Mushrooms just grow here in the grasslands. Only problem is harvesting season is mostly in the autumn. So you need te dry them.

But (magic) mushrooms growing in the wild are pretty common in north-west Europe. ( The species is found in a lot of places psilocybe semilanceata ) of course there are many more and you don't even have to wait to get fermented.

Still even I can just pick them they are still not allowed here (in the Netherlands)

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

True, but yeast spores are in the air, and if you leave an appropriately sweet and sterile liquid open it will just.. make alcohol. They use this technique in Belgium to harvest wild yeast for Lambic.

So until magic mushrooms start showing up inside my house I still don't consider it equivalent.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 19 hours ago

In NL there's a loophole: the fruit (paddo) is illegal, but the mycelium (truffle) isn't.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Studies have shown that not all alochol abuse is trauma-related.

https://filtermag.org/addiction-trauma/

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's an interesting article. I appreciate that they mention that the studies may be flawed because they attained wildly different data, probably due to methodology. They also mention that people with personality disorders are often not caught by these surveys.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Did you not read it? Personality disorders ARE caught by the studies. The article references a 2020 study by Elizabeth A. Evans et al., which explicitly examined the prevalence of personality disorders among people with opioid use disorder. It states, β€œ55.1 percent of women and 57.0 percent of men with opioid use disorder were found to have a personality disorder, such as borderline, antisocial, etc." Also, the article mentions findings from 16 studies on antisocial personality disorder among people with alcohol use disorder (AUD). Seven studies explored borderline personality disorder in AUD populations, with prevalence estimates ranging from 6–66 percent and a median of 21 percent. These wide-ranging results reflect the inclusion of personality disorders in the research.

I'm certain you misspoke?

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The first half of the article focuses on the biggest study, the NSDUH

SAMHSA’s annual National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH). NSDUH does not measure different mental health conditions individually, and probably fails to catch personality disorders.

That's where I saw the information.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That's one survey, you said "these surveys" (plural) which is why I was confused.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I was mistaken. It is the biggest and most discussed survey though so I still think it should be mentioned.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sometimes alcohol abuse is just addiction. Trauma soon follows, though.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A person chases oblivion for a reason. In my experience.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I believe that has been your personal experience, but that's not the case for everyone. Addiction isn't rational, and alcoholism wears a lot of costumes.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not OP, but I am a former alcoholic, and the son of a woman who drank herself to death.

In many cases we have severe untreated mental illness, often inherited and/or from childhood trauma. We are generally suicidal. Getting black out drunk (chasing oblivion) is better than living with your thoughts and emotions.

Anecdotally, I'd like to add that most of the many alcoholics I've known have very strong empathy and emotional intelligence. The sad state of the world certainly contributes to some people's alcoholism. I know it did with mine.

For many reasons, alcoholics choose to kill themselves slowly with alcohol rather than a faster way that could cause even more grief and pain to the people around them.