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[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (3 children)

MAGA is a promotional tour for lesbianism and sex toys. Toxic masculinity does not attract women and never did.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

53% of white women voted for Trump, and they aren't going to join 4B. "Men" didn't elect Trump, a slight majority of America did. When you point a finger, three are pointing back...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

22% of Americans voted for Trump. 78% did not. I can tell you I voted and was offered to answer none of those questions from that site. So I'm going to say none of them represent all of the voters if you don't actually ask all of the voters.

Just for the sake of more information: 337m Percentage over 18 ~78% That makes about 262m voters possible. 74m vote for Trump makes 28-29% of possible votes in 2024 81m votes for Biden in 2020, population was around 331m then. About 31-32% of the possibilible votes.

Point being, people need to vote. Making voting easier makes it possible to ensure you get a more complete tally of what people want in a democracy. People shouldn't have to jump through hoops to say they won't be in town, and will be working or w.e else to convince someone that a mail in ballot is wanted.
Should have a request a ballot button online as well. Why mail a form in to have the forms sent to you. Gets rid of some waste there too.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Uhh... 335 million Americans, 260 million voting age Americans. With 63% turnout.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

If you're sceptical about exit polls you could always look up how they're conducted...

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

22% of Americans voted for Trump. 78% did not.

and what, 40% of those didn't vote at all? How many people here voted for kamala 20%? 21%? Man you aren't very good at statistics.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That data was irrelevant to the premise. I could also have listed how many men, women, and chariots voted, but it really doesn't do anything more than show that if there is a 2 party system, it would be nice to have the winner near 50%. Id like to see everyone vote.

so why did you even bring up the data lmao? Just make the argument without it.

I'd also like to see more people vote, but i think we're probably our own biggest obstacle here lmao.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

People want to vote. Give them a candidate and party worth voting for.

Abstaining from a broken system is a protest in itself. How else would we know how broken the system was if people weren't allowed to withhold their vote from all candidates.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

There's abstaining and there's not being bothered to vote

If the object is to send the message that the current options aren't good enough at least in the UK we vote for parties other than the main two (green and reform for example)

I'm not saying to force everyone to vote. But if mandatory voting was a thing I'd say put a new candidates opinion in, and if it gets over 50% of the popular vote, all new candidates required would be an interesting change. Probably has holes, but what the hell, I'll try anything rather than this 2 party money fueled government we have now

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 3 days ago

People can write in a name. That's a protest vote, and one that should be fine in a mandatory voting system as seen in literally all the places it is.

A good candidate would be a great idea to help deal with apathy from a difficult to vote in system but making it easier would also be a huge step up.

Both things are needed and I wish could be done in any order. But not voting at all is definitely the goal of one side more than the other.