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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 122 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's a dynamically-sized list of objects of the same type stored contiguously in memory.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 72 points 6 months ago (4 children)
[–] ipha@lemm.ee 101 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So is a wedding gift registry.

[–] whereBeWaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No, this is Patrick!

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 80 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It's a dynamically-sized list of objects of the same type stored contiguously in memory.

dynamically-sized: The size of it can change as needed.

list: It stores multiple things together.

object: A bit of programmer defined data.

of the same type: all the objects in the list are defined the same way

stored contigiously in memory: if you think of memory as a bookshelf then all the objects on the list would be stored right next to each other on the bookshelf rather than spread across the bookshelf.

[–] kbotc@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Dynamically sized but stored contiguously makes the systems performance engineer in me weep. If the lists get big, the kernel is going to do so much churn.

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Contiguous storage is very fast in terms of iteration though often offsetting the cost of allocation

[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 7 points 6 months ago

Modern CPUs are also extremely efficient at dealing with contiguous data structures. Branch prediction and caching get to shine on them.

Avoiding memory access or helping CPU access it all upfront switches physical domain of computation.

[–] IAmVeraGoodAtThis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Which is why you should:

  1. Preallocate the vector if you can guesstimate the size
  2. Use a vector library that won't reallocate the entire vector on every single addition (like Rust, whose Vec doubles in size every time it runs out of space)

Memory is fairly cheap. Allocation time not so much.

[–] yetiftw@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

matlab likes to pick the smallest available spot in memory to store a list, so for loops that increase the size of a matrix it's recommended to preallocate the space using a matrix full of zeros!

[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Is that churn or chum? (RN or M)

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Many things like each other lined up in a row, and you can take some away or put more in.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

It's how you want an array to work.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No, it's an n-tuple with certain algebraic properties.

[–] KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is such an understated but useful description in this context. It's also how I understood algebra for applied matrix computation.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I was just coming down from THC when I wrote this, so I'm extra jazzed you liked it. 😁

Edit: also, love the username.

[–] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Its the algebraic properties that are important, not all vectors are n-tuples, eg the set of polynomials of degree less than n.

You need a basis to coordinate a vector, you can work with vectors without doing that and just deal with the algebraic properties. The coordinate representation is dependent on the basis chosen and isn't fundamental to the vector. So calling them n-tuples isn't technically correct.

You can turn them into a set of coordinates if you have a basis, but the fact that you can do that is because of the algebraic properties so it's those properties which define what a vector is.

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[–] conquer4@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

No. ArrayList is thread safe and implements the collections API. Vector doesn't. Though if you're using Java, there's almost no instance where you would want to use a Vector instead of ArrayList.

[–] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

ArrayList isn't thread-safe, though...

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[–] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 75 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Did nobody else's CS department require a bunch of linear algebra courses? A vector is an element of vector space.

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sets are just objects in the category of Set.

[–] droans@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That is quite possibly the least helpful answer you could give.

[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

Also the most correct :)

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Q: what is a vector? A: it is a vector

[–] sexy_peach@beehaw.org 6 points 6 months ago

We do and we know this. Maybe programmers would give that answer

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[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Ooh, do tensors next!

You should ask your biologist friend and your physicist friend and your compsci friend to debate about what vectors are. Singularities, too.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 26 points 6 months ago

Singularities, too.

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[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

It’s just a fancy list of fancy lists! :D

[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago
[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 23 points 6 months ago

you just need to car and cdr your cons cell …

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Well mathematically isn't it an n by 1 matrix.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Not always. Any m by n matrix is also a vector. Polynomials are vectors. As are continuous functions.

A vector is an element of a vector space over a field. These are sets which have a few operations, vector addition and scalar multiplication, and obey some well known rules, such as the existence of a zero vector (identity for vector addition), associativity and commutativity of vector addition, distributivity of scalar multiplication over vector sums, that sort of thing!

These basic properties give rise to more elaborate concepts such as linear independence, spanning sets, and the idea of a basis, though not all vector spaces have a finite basis.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How are polynomials vectors how does that work?

Say u have polynomial f(x)= a + bx + cx^2 + dx^3

How is that represented as a vector? Or is it just one of those maths well technically things? Cos as far as I'm aware √g = π = e = 3.

Are differential eqs also vectors?

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Your polynomial, f(x) = a + bx +cx^2 + dx^3, is an element of the vector space P3(R), the polynomial vector space of degree at most 3 over the reals. This space is isomorphic to R^4 and it has a standard basis: {1, x, x^2, x^3}. Then you can see that any such f(x) may be written as a linear combination of the basis vectors with real valued scalars.

As an exercise, you can check that P3(R) satisfies some of the properties of vector spaces yourself (existence of zero vector, associativity and commutativity of vector addition, distributivity of scalar multiplication over vector sums).

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[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't N by M be a tensor? Magnitude and direction only need one entry per DOF.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Every vector is a tensor. Matrices are vectors because m by n matrices form vector spaces. Magnitude and direction have nothing to do with the definition of vectors which are just elements of vector spaces.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

All vectors are tensors but not vice versa. And every page/definition of vector I've seen references magnitude and direction, even the vector space page you linked.

It looks like "vector" commonly refers to geometric vectors which is what most folks in this thread are discussing.

Would N by M vectors be imaginary, where each DOF has real and imaginary components?

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Continuous functions on [0,1] are vectors. Magnitude and direction are meaningless in that vector space, usually called C[0,1]. Magnitude and direction are not fundamental properties of vectors.

n by m matrices (and the vector spaces to which they belong) are perhaps best thought of similarly to functions and function spaces. Not as geometric objects, but as linear transformations (which they are).

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's an array.

First time I heard of vectors in comp-sci was in C++. The naming still doesn't make sense to me.

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[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

As a mathematician this genuinely hurts. Lol.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I asked my math friend. He said a vector is magnitude plus velocity.

[–] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 6 months ago

It should be magnitude plus orientation, not velocity. Velocity itself is a vector quantity

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A vector is a list of numbers, at its most basic. You can add a lot of extra functionality to it, but at its core, its just a list.

[–] holomorphic@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Functions from the reals to the reals are an example of a vector space with elements which can not be represented as a list of numbers.

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