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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by razoloto999@sh.itjust.works to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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[–] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] DoctorButts@kbin.melroy.org 25 points 4 months ago (4 children)

This is actually only part true. During the night, as the temperature in their environment drops, most species leave their den or web and seek out the mouth of any nearby sleeping mammals to sleep in, as it will help retain heat. In tests, it has been observed that up to thousands or tens of thousands of spiders will travel up to 10 miles to willingly climb into the open mouth of a sleeping human.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

That tens of thousands number is always brought up, but it's an average that is affected by the actions of Spiders Georg, an outlier who should not be counted.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Thank you for the reminder I need to get a new supply of duct tape.

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[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Mantises live solitary lives, and are cannibalistic. I assume it's more out of indifference than hate, but it's close to what you're looking for.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They are so cannibalistic. I once hatched an egg case in a terrarium and they ate their brothers and sisters almost immediately after hatching. There were baby crickets in there and they did not care for them in the slightest as the mantid population fell like a cobalt state sanctioned murder cube falls on a head.

[–] Synthuir@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh wow, I totally read the parent comment as ‘manatees’, and was like, “Odd, never heard of that, but okay.”

Then a dash of, “Holy shit, how’s this guy keeping manatees in a terrarium?”

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I am a fan of large aquaria, but hatching a cannibalistic manatee egg case in one sounds like a terrible way to become the guy in the math problem with a cart full of X cabbages and Y heads of lettuce if I bought an equal amount of each and spent $154.26 with an 8% tax if cabbages cost $2.23 and lettuce cost $3.98.

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[–] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The crickets aren't competition for the crickets.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I would live like that. If someone says hi we fight and the strongest eat the weakest. It's only fair

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My kids have a book called "solitary animals," explicitly framed as introverts in nature, and from what I remember of it, it mentions pumas, octopuses, sloths, and eagles.

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I'm sorry but the correct plural is octopedants.

[–] all-knight-party@kbin.run 14 points 4 months ago

Weird, I really figured the plural was sloths, but you learn something every day.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

No, that's what you call people who correct people who use the wrong plural for octopus

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Ohhh nice one

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

Can we stop equating introversion with anti-social?

[–] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Octopi are mostly solitary I think.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Possibly the one thing that is preventing them from creating culture/civilisation with how smart they are. Maybe they'll get their shit together when we're gone. Planet of the apes is too played out.

[–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

There's that, and also their short lifespan (1 to 5 years). And the fact that the mother only cares for their offspring while they're in eggs.

Forms of transmission of behaviors by imitation or communication mostly emerge in species that care for their young, like birds or mammals, because the young learns from their parents, which complements instinct. It gets stronger when they're a social species, because they also learn from every other individual. That's when culture begins to emerge (like how some "accents" or "dialects" can be identified in the songs of birds or whales of a same species). But a specie that isn't social and doesn't care for it's young, whatever an individual learnt in its lifetime dies with it, behaviors can only be transmitted genetically edit: ^inexact,^ ^see^ ^below^ , so they're slower to evolve.

[EDIT : I looked up some things online to make sure I wasn't spreading disinformation (should've been the other way around, sorry...) and it seems some nuance needs to be added to two things;

  1. Despite being usually asocial and sometimes confrontational, octopuses can occasionally display social behaviors such as signal, so they're not devoid of inter-individual communication source

  2. They seem to be able to learn from each-other to a certain extent. Source

I still think my point mostly stands, but it's a bit shakier than I thought.]

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I agree with the point you're making. I'd just like to note that the mother doesn't care for her children because she dies taking care of the eggs. The eggs get attached to a ceiling of an underwater cave, and the mother watches the eggs until she dies of starvation. It is theorized that this happens to prevent the mother from eating her children.

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[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 6 points 4 months ago

First they need to develop a language that allows them to transcend time.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The second Children of Stuff- I think it's Children of Ruin- talks about far-future octopod civilization. Interesting stuff. The whole trilogy is super good and I recommend it.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think snow leopards only ever meet up if they're dtf. Otherwise they keep large swaths of land to try and guard against any others stepping near their space. Like, hundreds of acres.

[–] classic@fedia.io 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

.... I honestly have issues imagining what an aggressive red panda looks like.

I have no doubt that it exists, nature is fuckin scary, my brain just can't deal with that.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Polar bears except when mating, and even then they still hate any offspring that aren't their own. Most big cats like tigers, panthers, and jaguars. Tons of predators are solitary.

Tons of animals that are solitary should fit the criteria. Hates might not be a completely accurate description, but if they are solitary and territorial then it would be close enough.

[–] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I swear I'm not a besserwisser but I recently learned something I found annoyingly interesting and I'm sharing it hoping you will too:

Panthers aren't a species but usually either a jaguar or leopard if black or a collective name for all large cats belonging to the Pantera family.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 4 points 4 months ago

I was going to put in mountain lion and figured someone would go "lions hunt in packs!" and tried to use an alternate name. Forgot panther is also used for jaguars!

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

People call Cougars "Panthers" also, but they're not Pantera family.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Randy.

Randy is (was? Not sure if he's still alive) a goat on a friend's farm. Fucker hated everyone and everything and would have to be kept in his own area. Did you know goats can spit? I didn't until I met Randy. Friend told me Randy killed a cat once. Not sure why they didn't just turn him into dinner.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Based on rigorous scientific research conducted on my deck, chipmunks do not like other chipmunks, but in a really adorable way.

The movies lied to you.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Surely this was supposed to link to skunks.

No, squonk, with an Earth q. Behold.

This concept of squonk confuses and infuriates us!

[–] mononomi@feddit.nl 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago
[–] Trollivier@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

Wolverines are pretty solitary animals

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

You count the most, using your fingers and toes.

[–] PrincessTardigrade@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Orangutans are solitary for most of their lives

[–] Serialchemist@ttrpg.network 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Betta fish - just make sure to give them a few gallons of water in which to swim, a filter for their poo and a heater in their tank to keep them comfortable year round.

[–] numberfour002@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (7 children)

It's mostly only the males that don't get along with each other. Given enough space, females can be peacefully kept together in sorority tanks. Similarly, a trio or harem (i.e. one male with multiple females) is typically safe as well and the fish get along just fine, given a large enough tank and appropriate stocking.

Also, most reputable breeders and sources of information will tell you that 5 gallons / 19 liters is the minimum suggested tank size for a happy and healthy fish in optimal conditions. While they can certainly survive in much smaller bodies of water, it's not ideal and in some cases it's actually harmful.

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

Puffer fish

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 4 months ago

Pandas for sure.

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