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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 209 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

Donnie's complaints

  • Complained about not having a jury
  • Complained about having a jury
  • Complained about jury selection being too boring
  • Complained about falling asleep and being called Sleepy Don.
  • Complained he can't see Baron's graduation
  • Complained at a Bodega about Bodegas being the epicenter of violence and crime
  • Complained about not having unlimited STRIKERS
  • Complained about gag order
  • Complained about gag order being enforced
  • Complained about Jimmy Kimmel hurting his feelings at the Oscar's, which was 38 days ago.

Wah wah wah. Fucking crybaby. How about not breaking the fucking law asshole?

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 91 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like he's a bit of a ... Snowflake lmao

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

One downvote lol. Someone is a butthurt snowflake.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Haha. He's still complaining about Kimmel?

That moron doesn't even realize his complaints cause more people to tune into Kimmel to see Kimmel make fun of him every night.

And I hope Kimmel brings this up tonight.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As per his own words, he's a whiner cause he'll do it till it wins. Unsure how well that works in criminal court though. I'm hoping we get to find out the court's limits sooner than later

[–] ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

He whines the likes the world has never seen. So much whining. I can't stand it all this whining.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 3 points 6 months ago

There's a bit of usefulness in whining. I "whine" at work all the time, but it's about useful shit. Nothing seems to happen until I complain about something lol

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 9 points 6 months ago

If you can't do the mild inconvenience, don't do the crime.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Complained the looseys cost too much.

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[–] comador@lemmy.world 134 points 6 months ago (2 children)

“I thought STRIKES were supposed to be ‘unlimited’ when we were picking our jury?” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social.

State law, a law that's been around for over a hundred years, limits it to 10 strikes.

That's what he gets for thinking again.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 119 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Trump always complains when he has to follow the rules. Doesn't matter what the rule is, he always wants to be the exception.

It probably comes from the decades of experience he has in not having to follow the rules.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And he's always been a lying manipulative piece of shit too.

Exemplifying that here - he actually does get unlimited strikes if there's a legal reason that juror shouldn't be there (e.g. if they say, "I'm not going to consider the evidence, I've already made up my mind.") He's only limited to 10 strikes without having a legal basis for them, but his followers are going to see Trump's whining and walk away with the impression that his lawyers are forced to spend those 10 strikes on "I've already made up my mind" jurors.

[–] Volkditty@lemmy.world 49 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Trump supporters already have the impression that all the potential jurors are out to get Trump, because their whole worldview necessitates a constant attitude of victimhood.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 9 points 6 months ago

And somehow the jury pool has zero trumpers to begin with

[–] tal@lemmy.today 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm not familiar with New York jury procedure, but I vaguely recall reading that -- not specific to New York -- typically there are unlimited "for cause" removals, and a finite number of "not for cause". Like, you can object to someone who isn't going to actually do a sane job as a juror.

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Yeah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_for_cause

Strike for cause (also referred to as challenge for cause or removal for cause) is a method of eliminating potential members from a jury panel in the United States.

During the jury selection process, after voir dire, opposing attorneys may request removal of any juror who does not appear capable of rendering a fair and impartial verdict, in either determining guilt or innocence and/or a suitable punishment.[1] An example would be a potential juror in a murder case, where the sentencing options include the death penalty and a lesser sentence (such as life without parole), who states that they "would sentence a defendant to death if found guilty"; such a statement may indicate the person's unwillingness to fairly consider a life without parole sentence.

Unlike a peremptory challenge (the number of which are limited by the court during voir dire, and unless a Batson challenge is raised the challenge is automatically granted) there is no limit to the number of strikes for cause that attorneys on either side of a case can be granted. However, also unlike a peremptory challenge, a strike for cause must state a specific reason (in the example above, the reason would be the juror's bias against a non-death penalty sentence) and be granted by the trial judge; often both attorneys and sometimes the judge will question the juror being challenged.

If one attorney moves to strike a juror for cause but the judge rejects the motion, the attorney may still use a peremptory challenge (if they have any remaining) to strike the juror, and on appeal may raise a claim that the motion should have been granted but, because it was not, the attorney had to either use a peremptory challenge or seat a biased juror.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You couldn't pay me enough to be a juror for that trial. Sure, just paint a target on my back for this cult leader who's backed by half the government!

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'd happily do it. I'm not a us citizen, though.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

And I'm grateful for the people who are willing to do such a thankless task!

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

They pay $15 a day where I live. I expect they will get similar lol

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[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No, only you have unlimited strikes when it comes to the law. You threaten another person 483 more times, and we might fine you $1000.

[–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you threaten the family members of a federal judge a few dozen more times we will slowly start to count down from 5.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

I want to say the punishment fits his mental age but how do I reconcile that with the fact that he has dementia? Can toddlers have dementia? Mentally he is a superposition of tot and extremely old.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I was pretty chuffed about that $1000 ask, but it turns out that that's the maximum fine allowed for contempt of court in a criminal trial in New York.

Beyond that, there's either exclusion from the courtroom (and no judge wants to exclude a defendant from the courtroom) or detention up to thirty days.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

Let's do the detention one, please.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

Oh, this isn't The Onion, this is real news.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

TBF I bet the prosecution feels the same way...the juror strike system is designed to make compromises.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 6 months ago

"Man, if I didn't have to follow all these rules, I would be winning right now!"

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

To be fair, getting an impartial jury in this case is a lot harder than it would be normally.

[–] st3ph3n@midwest.social 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's what happens when the defendant is a polarizing fascist asshole.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

No idea why you got downvoted. Nearly everyone will know who he is, since he was the damn President of the country. Nearly everyone will know a lot of stuff about him, since he never fucking shuts up on social media. He has a large percentage of the country who loves him and a larger percentage of people who absolutely hate him. Finally, the case and jury selection is in New York, where he has been in the news for 40 years.

[–] UnpluggedFridge@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (7 children)

People seem to think that a prior opinion about the dependent automatically means that a potential juror cannot be impartial. All that is required is that the juror can render a verdict based solely on the evidence presented at trial. Plenty of people with strong opinions about Trump himself can still be impartial jurors.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 5 points 6 months ago

I agree. Trump has done everything possible to spread his propaganda and poison the jury pool.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

That’s why they’re not allowed to ask nix people for being biased.

Everyone already has their opinions. The best they can do is look for people that aren’t dogmatic.

[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Is it reasonable to think that if his lawyers get even one maga nut on the jury, they'd have to re-try the case?

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I am pretty certain jury verdicts have to be unanimous or it's a mistrial, so, yeah, that's a reasonable thing to think

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The fact that they are going through social media history makes this significantly less of a risk, but it's still a risk.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There are plenty of stupid people who are not active on social media.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Outside of Lemmy, I'm not on social media... and I like to think of myself as pretty stupid.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

On the plus side this is New York, the city that knows him best. And they fucking hate him.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's up to the government to decide whether or not they re-try a case if there is a hung jury. It's my understanding that most of the time, they do not re-try the case because of the time and effort involved with no guarantee that the outcome would be any different. So usually a hung jury is a victory for the defense.

I'm not a lawyer, that's just my layman's understanding from the legal stuff I've seen and read.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 10 points 6 months ago

Hah, get fucked you feckless moron.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

"No one can judge me!" - Donald Trump literally

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 8 points 6 months ago

I just like that, for the past couple of days, he’s had to sit there and listen to people offer their unfiltered opinions about him as they were entered into the public record. Honestly, I was kinda hoping it’d go on for another day or two so he’d have a rage stroke.

[–] Blackout@kbin.run 7 points 6 months ago

You know how many times he's asked his lawyers if they could? At least a dozen.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Cant expect any different from the rotten orange pussy

[–] dragon24@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Of course that's what he wants to do. Reject all of them and then have the judge declare a mistrial when they can't seat a full jury.

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