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I often use a commercial VPN service, which I suspect is not rare among Lemmy users. Most of the time, I'm able to post to lemmy.world, but on occasion I am not. The default web UI provides zero feedback, just a spinning submit button forever, but if I look in the browser dev tools, I can see it's being blocked.

I understand that some limitations are necessary to prevent spam and other abuse, however this is a very blunt instrument. The fact that I have a 10 month old account with consistent activity should outweigh any IP address reputation issues.

Perhaps the VPN limitations could be narrowed in scope to cover only account creation and posts from young accounts.

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[–] 5h17h34d@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've always wondered why Google makes me jump though hoops when I'm tunneled through my VPN. I'm logged in to Google for chrissakes, that should be all the difference in both of these situations.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's some very good reasons:

  • VPN traffic could be masking an attack on the account
  • By using a VPN, they lose a degree of certainty that it's you, they can't use the IP address as a factor to establish the probability it's actually you
  • Differentiating you as a person, from other people with the same source address, perhaps who are behaving poorly, or who've implemented robots to do things Google doesn't like.

I fully believe VPNs should be a fundamental right on the internet, nobody should have to identify themselves by IP address to use the internet. But from an account security perspective alone there's a good reason to be extra super duper sure of somebody before allowing them to log in

[–] 5h17h34d@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But, I'm LOGGED IN. To Google. Bad actors on the same VPN ip address are not logged in as me (I hope).

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago

Say that to the victim of cookie stealing attack

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 7 months ago

Somebody might have stolen your login cookies, and is impersonating you. If the IP that your traffic originates from changes rapidly that could be an indicator.

[–] Rooki@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hello @Zak@lemmy.world ,

we understand your frustration, but lemmy doesnt give us any alternative to that, as we cant block posts/comments from younger accounts easily.

The issues with the UI, that it doesnt give any real feedback is, sadly an issue with the LemmyUI, but it will be probably improved in the future.

We are looking into better alternatives to that, but until then we sadly have to stay on our current path.
We will be of course announcing if we found an alternative to that.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the explanation. It seems I should be proposing improvements to the Lemmy software since the software doesn't currently support the policy I'm suggesting.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

The worst part about this issue is, once you hit submit and get the infinite spinner, the text box for the post or comment is locked, and you can't even copy/paste the text in order to try again after turning off the VPN, and you can't cancel the submission to unlock it.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The fact that I have a 10 month old account with consistent activity should outweigh any IP address reputation issues.

I dont even know where to begin unpacking this flagrantly ridiculous sentence, but I’ll just say this is the same energy as the β€œdevs are lazy” entitlement when popular video games suddenly acquire a cheater problem

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Proposing changes like this is how open source projects work.

Account age and reputation metrics are a pretty good way to limit abuse because the supply of established accounts is limited, making them difficult to replace when they get banned.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Lol nice trolling attempt!

For anyone else reading, I'm a dev, and I didn't get any "devs lazy" vibe from the OP.

It's a sensible request, not a ridiculous one.