Surely this time it will finally stick and trump will face consequences for his actions.... Right???
this post was submitted on 09 Apr 2024
174 points (95.8% liked)
politics
19072 readers
3727 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
By sheer statistical coincidence, something has to stick eventually. Maybe its this one at last.
Also please do a live broadcast of the trial, that would be great. Love to see him spewing more incriminating statements when he cant help himself be Hitler again...
I can give you a mixed answer to this: New York usually doesn't broadcast trials, BUT: the reason for broadcasting trials publicly is because the public has an interest in transparency, and this trial is the one where this is arguably the strongest. I would say there's a good chance.
And if not, you can just buy the transcript. Should be fun too. Thinking about it, we could crowdfund it probably....
Well I wouldn't hold my breath for this one. While he surely did it, it looks like the maximum penalties would be fines and probation for class e felonies in new york, though IANAL. Edit: see also comment below, sounds like small possibility of jail time.
Georgia case has a possible appeal pending after that whole relationship debacle. If the Georgia court of appeals takes it up it could push it well past the November election. Otherwise might be able to go to trial in August.
The Jan 5th case had a trial date, but because the Supreme Court took up the "presidential immunity" proposal from Trump to hear, that trial date got canceled while the appeal was being heard. That ruling should be heard by June. Hopefully they could get it rescheduled soon after that since they had been about ready to go to trial, assuming the supreme court doesn't rule in Trump's favor (big assumption).
The stealing classified documents and lying repeatedly to the national archives and fbi and trying to cover it up case was first held up by judge Cannon. She accepted some fight Trump made against the search warrant based on nonsense rulings and prevented the investigators from accessing the documents for like six months before an appeals court finally dismissed the whole thing and gave investigators access to the documents. Then she got assigned the criminal case too after charges were filed (thanks to a random lottery system that because of various factors only had like two judges in the pool to be picked from at the time) and she's been constantly delaying and making nonsense rulings, and is clearly laying the ground work to try and acquit him herself in a way that's unappealable after the trial begins. Unless Jack Smith can collect enough evidence and the court of appeals agrees to remove her before the trial, that case is probably sunk because of this judge (appointed by Trump, rated unqualified by the American bar association before Republicans rammed her nomination through).
So yeah, Trump getting the kids gloves all around thanks to the supreme court and other judges he appointed (and the Georgia prosecutor possibly tanking her whole case with a dumb relationship). And this doesn't even touch on his civil cases.
The maximum penalty is quite a bit of jail time, simply because of the number of counts. First time offenders don't really get the book thrown at them with this type of offense.
I think that if he is found guilty on all counts, the DA will probably ask for some jail time. The judge might not grant it, or might impose a sentence which would get suspended if Trump complies with the terms of probation. And I bet Trump would view having to visit a probation officer every week or so in NYC to be worse than jail. He can fundraise more easily from jail. So he will deliberately skip out on his probation officer, and double dog dare NY State to send the Troopers to apprehend him.
Thank you for adding more details!
While there may well be grounds for Willis to incur professional consequences I still fail to see how her actions would impact the criminal proceedings about which I've heard no evidence her romantic decisions affected at all. The prosecutor may have been inexperienced…ok, did he do his job? Yes, AFAIK.
As with Cannon, he gets leeway everywhere you look. Leeway NOT afforded to others. It's infuriating.
Yes it shouldn't be able to derail the case in a just world, I just meant in practice that's what is happening since it gives him yet another thing to appeal over. He filed an appeal with the Georgia court of appeals to again ask for all charges to be dismissed or for her to be removed from the case as well (which would create an extraordinary delay well past the election). Hopefully the Georgia court of appeals will just quickly knock it down and not delay the trial any more over it. There's a danger that could happen though. If the Georgia state government goes after her as the case is ongoing who knows. And I agree, he is getting leeway everywhere, treated with kids gloves, appointing his own judges, it's ridiculous. Even if the supreme court rules against presidential immunity, in practice he and all the judges that have helped him have made a mockery of the rule of law.
Agreed. It’s galling how he’s been able to time and again exploit the system up to and including SCOTUS. Such a disappointment how ineffective it turns out our system of justice is in the face of corruption.
The bet part of probation is that he will absolutely break the conditions of his probation. Sure, nothing will come of it because why would he face real consequences for anything, but it would be funny.
STFU until he's actually jailed. There's always been another delay or loophole he's gotten special access to. It is fucking ridiculous that his bail payment was cut down by two thirds.
Not a bail payment, it was a bond necessary to appeal a civil judgement. He's not going to jail for that case. He still will owe 454 million total if the appeal fails.
Blah, wording - you're correct.
Barring any hijinks, he should lose the appeal.
He'll just speak as slow as the DMV sloth from Zootopia to stretch it past the election, so he can pardon himself.
We need a "Trump spends a day in jail" index, where an update to a case yielding 1 day in jail after all appeals are said and done going from 0% likely conviction to 100% likely conviction is a TDIJ value of +1. It would require use of actuarial tables to determine the likely-hood of Trump being alive at the start of the sentence, as well as how long he would serve statistically based on the same actuarial tables and the likely-hood of a medical pardon at old age based on age-and-race based medical pardon rates. The start date would be estimated based on the average length of Trump-post-president appeal lengths to each level of court, and the total time served in federal cases (but not state cases) would be multiplied by Biden's current polling average. I'm not sure how to set up the likely conviction percentages, but I guess swings in Las Vegas betting markets could be used for a stand in.
"What's this? OH MY GOD! It's Judge Cannon from the top rope! She's not even in this fight? Well who knows how she got here, she's really putting up a fight!"
"Well there it is folks, Cannon out of nowhere, doesn't even belong here, and yet that's how it went! Trump really got saved from that beating."
Our political and judicial shit show is pretty much just polite WWE lol