The combination of a strawman argument and a fat joke is just...not particularly funny?
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I've argued with people who claimed being overweight isn't bad for your health. It's not a common position, but it's not exactly a strawman either. It's more like focusing on the crazies.
It kinda becomes a strawman when the meme presents "healthy at every size" people as the average "body positivity" person.
That's a fair point.
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But the nature of straw man arguments is that since you are not citing someone who's actually making that argument, there's also not any way to refute it. "Somene somewhere is making a bad argument" doesn't really mean anything. (What's extra ironic is that this is an ad hominem attack against no one in particular)
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That argument is likely a distortion of the medical argument which goes something like, "People who are overweight by the medical definition of BMI between 25 and 30 are not necessarily unhealthy. There are some circumstances such as being an athlete or genetics that are associated with denser body compositions. BMI is a crude tool that is useful for some things but should not be used on its own to indicate health status."
BMI isn't science. Its an almost 200 year old equation that was arbitrarily fitted to data. There is no go reason square ones height except that it fit the data. The cutoffs are arbitrary and, at least in the US, shifted in 1997.
And there is a growing body of evidence showing it's not accurate for many cases in addition to the one you provided.
We have better indirect measure and far better direct measures for assessing disease progression and likelihood of disease development. Getting rid of BMI won't stop fat shaming, but I hope it gives people pause.
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Fat people: I should be able to get medical care beyond being told "you should lose weight".
Dummies like OP: 😡
But what if the medical care is loosing weight?
What do you expect them to do when a 160kg dude is rolled into the ICU with his third heart attack of the month? A transplant?
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Even on shows like My 600 lb life, they have to actually lose weight and maintain a healthy diet for months before they're considered for Liposuction and other surgeries.
Sure, that care should be available, but you have to lose the weight first and maintain healthy habits. There's no excuse for it.
There's more to it than just "develop healthy habits" though. There are psychological reasons one could have for overeating like having eating disorders or using food to treat depression which could require psychiatric assistance. My brother died at 600+ lbs after breaking two lap bands. He required some serious intervention, but we couldn't afford what he needed, he was homeless and he couldn't hold down a job, so he died instead.
Mind you, being overweight wasn't the only cause for his death. He was eating very unhealthy foods because they were a cheaper means to fill himself up since his stomach was huge. His severe ADHD prevented him from being able to hold down a job despite being a fairly intelligent person.
He did some shitty things in his life, so don't give too much sympathy, but in retrospect doing something to help his ADHD early on could have helped to prevent the train wreck that became his life. Maybe that would have helped him do better in school, be better to our parents, be able to hold down a job, etc. which could have prevented overeating to treat his depression.
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That's not what they're talking about. Doctors will attribute anything they can to your weight instead of actually testing and treating you. There are a lot of problems with being over weight but there's also legitimate illnesses being missed.
Countdown to the men's rights activists on lemmy
What, you think they're not already here?
I'm just shocked Lemmy hasn't gone full incel. The TwoX sub some poor hopeful tried to start looked like that meme of Jerrys talking to each other.
I do see the incels rear their heads from time to time.
I had to close out of a thread regarding how FGM was on the rise again in a country in Africa, and I saw users likening it to male circumcision.
There was (presumably) a chick in the comments trying to explain why they're not one in the same, and she was getting heavily down voted.
Like, yes, I think a lot of Lemmy users are against male circumcision as well (myself included), but it is NOT the same.
My circumcised husband can still orgasm, most women will not be able to at all without clitoral stimulation. It takes the pleasure out of sex for us and makes us simple brood mares.
And I'm always like "Jesus, this line of thinking is prevalent in a lefty place like Lemmy? No fucking wonder things like 'Fresh&Fit' are taking the youth by storm."
Exactly. Circumcision is bad. It’s not a penectomy which is essentially what fgm usually is basically
Also unrelated, but you have a wonderful username
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I say, as I slowly roll over a 5 year old in my four door f150 "kids just don't exercise anymore, they just stay in their houses and look at their phone" then I end my tiktok video.
Comment ratings here are a war.
Mush brain rage bait. How many of these are bot made?
So many well read doctors on here willing to provide a nuanced picture of the data and issue. Quite impressive.
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