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submitted 7 months ago by MinguPingu@lemmy.world to c/bikinibottomtwitter@lemmy.world

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[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

But the nature of straw man arguments is that since you are not citing someone who's actually making that argument, there's also not any way to refute it. "Somene somewhere is making a bad argument" doesn't really mean anything. (What's extra ironic is that this is an ad hominem attack against no one in particular)

[+] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de -8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Its not a strawman unles the bad argument is being misrepresented. Just because you don't care to look for examples for fear of what you may find doesn't mean that anyone who hasn't thrown them at you up-front is engaging in a logical fallacy.

[–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It’s a straw man because the meme references the entire body positivity movement (on Twitter), while the statement it refutes is only argued by a select few.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I'd say it's closer to the Dicto Simpliciter fallacy. Essentially, starting with an unqualified statement and extrapolating to a more general statement. Examples would be things like "Exercise is good, so everyone should exercise" or "Online members of a group said something, so all members of that group agree" or "High BMI is unhealthy, so all people with high BMI are unhealthy"

https://www.palomar.edu/users/bthompson/Secundum%20Quid.html#:~:text=Dicto%20Simpliciter%20%2D%20Secundum%20Quid&text=Description%3A,rule%20should%20be%20rejected%20altogether.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Read the meme again. "Explaining why weighting (sp) 300 pounds is healthier than every other lifestyle". Is someone actually arguing it's healthier than literally every other lifestyle? Are they doing it without qualifications? Did they not use some sort of logic to support their position? Or is the maker of this meme making an overly simplistic representation of an imagined argument someone might make, specifically chosen because it's easy to refute? That's what a strawman argument is. And they're not even using good logic to argue against this fictional claim!