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For example, if you said that someone had been fooled by something, would they take offense and think you're calling them a fool or foolish?

What if you say someone's been "played for a fool"?

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] kambusha@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Fool me... you can't get fooled again.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Apparently that quote was where a scriptwriter almost screwed Bush over.

The full phrase is "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Bush realised he was about to give the media a sound bite of him saying "Shame on me".

Given the context, it's far more understandable why he flubbed it.

[–] kambusha@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Kinda funny how its probably survived much longer because of the improvisation, but yeah, I get why you wouldn't want to say that.

[–] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's an old saying in Tennessee... I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee...

[–] Smeagol666@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

This was Dubyah trying to quote the old saying that starts "fool me once, shame on you...". I used to think HE was dumb, now we have people in office that make him look like a Rhodes Scholar.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

But what if... we don't get fooled again. Yeaaaaaah

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

The expressions "being fooled" and "being made a fool" have coexisted for a very long time.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

at some point you have to trust something

I trust the floor of my bedroom to be there when I get up in the dark.

I trust my wife not to change the locks on the house when I'm out or not to murder me in my sleep

I trust my friends not to falsely accuse me of horrible crimes to the police

I trust the starbucks drive through is real and not a fake starbucks pretending to be starbucks

any one of these things could "fool" me at any time, doesn't mean I'm stupid.

however, what I never trust is that there is a secret to get ahead quickly. Whatever it is, it's always slow, expensive, with a lot of paperwork, requires practice and expertise, and will go wrong several times.

so if someone gave a hundred grand to someone who wasn't a known financial institution expecting a massive return on their investment with no paperwork, I would say they were foolish. If they were a close friend / relative, I'd commiserate and use kinder language to their face, something along the lines of they've got to take better care of themselves and their finances.- because I am a kind person. Some people believe in tough love. I believe such a concept is to be used very sparingly.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I trust the starbucks drive through is real and not a fake starbucks pretending to be starbucks

It's more likely than you think

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

I trust the floor of my bedroom to be there when I get up in the dark.

Technically, you have an infinitesimally tiny but non-zero probability of experiencing a quantum tunnelling event at the macro scale that will have you drop through that floor without damaging it to land in the room below.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'd say you're more likely to get a positive response if you use words like "deceived" or "conned" or "lied to" which place the fault on the deceiver.

"Fooled" isn't offensive per se; "chumped" is worse. But if I was wanting to convince someone that they had been maliciously given false information, I'd use language that doesn't raise hackles by implicitly blaming them for being deceived.

Edit: "Played for a fool" is more offensive IMO, because now you're pointing out that the victim has some exploitable flaw which allowed the deceiver to make a fool of them.

Edit again: Sorry for the double post. Something seems to be a little weird with my app.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'd say you're more likely to get a positive response if you use words like "deceived" or "conned" or "lied to" which place the fault on the deceiver.

"Fooled" isn't offensive per se; "chumped" is worse. But if I was wanting to convince someone that they had been maliciously given false information, I'd use language that doesn't raise hackles by implicitly blaming them for being deceived.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fools are full of certainty. The wise are full of doubt.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

100% agreed.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Fool is a spectrum. E.g. take the saying "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". It's possible to fool anyone. Sometimes it's because they are a fool, but sometimes it's not.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

IF you learn, THEN only temporarily.

IF you don't/won't learn, THEN you ARE a fool.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not necessarily, it means someone else was smarter than you, or exploited a weakness of yours, which might be your kind heart or your greed, rather than a lack of intelligence. Note: kindhearted people won't mind being told this but greedy people will mind. "Scammed" or "exploited" put the onus on the perpetrator. If you already said "played for a fool " and they took offense, consider adding some of these types of synonyms if you want to mend their feelings.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

That is exactly what it means, yes. Though people will probably feel less happy if you point it out explicitly

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago