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[–] ech@lemm.ee 119 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I see this a lot in media criticism. People complaining about "plot holes" or something just not making sense, meanwhile it was explicitly pointed out or explained. I'd blame people being on their phones or something, but the truth isn't that sympathetic.

[–] Susaga@ttrpg.network 73 points 8 months ago (6 children)

A good example is Titanic where people keep saying Jack could fit on the door, despite the film showing him trying to get onto the door and almost capsizing it, so he leaves it alone to ensure Rose's safety.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 8 months ago

Even if he could fit on it, calling it a plot hole still doesn’t make sense to me. I’d way sooner assume the character is just a chivalrous idiot that died for no reason, which does fit his characterisation and the plot of the movie.

Also clearly people who have never fallen out of a two person canoe/kayak and tried to get back in without tipping the whole thing over.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago

What is buoyancy?

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 48 points 8 months ago (4 children)

People weren't on their phones when they saw the Stormtroopers let the rebels get away from the death star so they could track them, heard one rebel say "they let us get away from the death star so they can track us," and then spent 50 years joking about how awful stormtrooper aim is

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's a good thing there's like 12-15 different scenes with stormtroopers who can't aim in the original trilogy then.

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[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago

And then Disney made the joke canon because of the algorithm.

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[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 62 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Another one of my favorites: when people read between lines that aren't there.

I said what I said, not what you heard.

Now we're arguing about what I said even though it was 5 seconds ago.

[–] Chestnut@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Irl I often repeat what other people say in my own words and ask them if that's what they believe. It both helps me understand where they're coming from and confirm I get them

On the Internet I almost never do.

Communication is a two way street. You can be as explicit as you want but if people are trying to win an argument instead of have a discussion they're going to misconstrue what you're saying more often than not.

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[–] TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml 60 points 8 months ago (16 children)

I see. But 30 dollars in change are heavy and impractical to carry around. Even if it's the same value, I'd have to prefer the Bills. My wife is rather petite and has to carry around a lot of change and says it's tiresome at times.

[–] isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago (2 children)

As someone who has 30$ in bills, even they get in the way and manage to be obnoxious. There was a girl in my middleschool who had "a lot* of change and she was constantly miserable. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

IDK if this is actually a fashion trend but, I've noticed recently some girls with $30 in bills going braless? Like dressed up professionally for office job, sans bra.

I would 100% do this.

I would be annoyed if I was unable to because I had too much change.

[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Yeah, a lot of women are rebelling against the idea that you have to wear a bra to look "professional". Truly people should be able to do what makes them comfortable. I wish I could go bra-less, but my back would give out before the end of the day.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 49 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Someone posted a lengthy podcast about how many kids are taught to read badly. https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/

There was another article a couple weeks ago that said less than half of us adults can read at a 6th grade level. 6th grade is before you really get into metaphor and subtext. That's just reading for plot.

Some people legitimately might be bad at reading.

The people on text based sites are probably better than a whole chunk of people that don't even post.

[–] gila@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (29 children)

It’s not about reading comprehension, it’s about the reader not understanding the unwritten parameters of the question. That the possibility that neither have greater value exists.

I recall one occasion where something similar happened to me back in middle school. We were learning about probability using dice rolls. One of the questions on the worksheet was (something like) “What is the best way to influence the probability of the dice roll outcome?”

When the question was posed to me I fully understood that there was no way to influence the probability, assuming no influence by external factors, the probability of a given outcome will always be equal. But the fact that the question was posed to me in this way led me to believe that this was not the answer the question was looking for. It implied that in fact there was a way to influence the result, so I got very frustrated in trying to come up with an answer which made sense. In this situation I felt that actually the question was wrong, and got upset that the task I had been set to answer it was impossible to complete correctly. When I realised that the true intent was just to get me to acknowledge that there was no way to influence the result, I felt betrayed by the framing of the question. I knew the answer the whole time, it was obvious, but the framing of the question misled me to believe that was not the intended answer.

The question in my case wasn’t actually an earnest question about probability, the pretext for is was deliberately false. There was no way for me to figure it out using better reading comprehension. The intent of the question can only be realised via comprehension of non-written concepts, essentially being able to recognise when someone is trying to throw you a curveball. It isn't quite the same as just recognising the path of the ball being thrown to you, because in that case it appears to be being thrown away from you.

If you examine the person replying person's responses, that's pretty much where they're at. The whole 'dude is expecting the answer to be their own views' thing is conjecture, what they're expecting is a view given an existing proposition that there is a view to take.

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[–] Talaraine@fedia.io 45 points 8 months ago

The downvoters out here not getting the parable either xD

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I interpreted this as meaning small breasts are more value dense

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 73 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Most valuable tits are the ones in your hand (with consent).

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[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That was a really fun read. I lost some faith in humanity but it was the wavering variety anyway that comes and goes with the social tides. Tide goes in, tide goes out.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 21 points 8 months ago

Can't explain that

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[–] kokopelli@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

I’m so dumb. Here I am, thinking I fully understood the metaphor, and yet I read “breasts” as “beasts” and was very confused when people started mentioning boobs.

[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I prefer small, but that's just my 3,000 cents.

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[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How dare you say we piss on the poor

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I tested in the 99th percentile for reading comprehension all through school. I also regular miss things when I read and have to go back and realize I'm a dumbass. If my comprehension is better than 99% it's very concerning.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago

Going back and realizing you're a dumbass is like 99% of reading comprehension. And iterative learning in general. Assuming you know everything at first blush is absolutely how shit like this happens.

[–] Sensationalglyph@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The real issue is the person who gets it doesn't spell out the path of the metaphor from "which has greater mass" through to "which has greater value". It's like a text version of a sitcom plot where someone doesn't say the obvious thing that would stop the entire argument

[–] Koordinator_O@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

That's a technic I call learning by figuring out. I realized some time ago that information you figure out yourself lasts longer. When some at work for example asks me something I usually only return suggestive questions. Questions wich if they answer them lead them to the answer of their questions. I always get rolling eyes when I do but it helps in two ways. First is they really manifest the wisdom so they don't need to ask me a second time and second they learn relativly fast that they have to think what to ask me and how anoying it is so they ask less frequently but more specific. People hate it but it is benefical for both sides in my opinion.

[–] Obonga@feddit.de 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The smaller the tits, the better. Fight me.

[–] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You want concave chest craters on your ideal mate?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking.

[–] Obonga@feddit.de 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Flat=smallest, but i am sure i simply haven't seen "concave chest craters" and would absolutely love it or something

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] Obonga@feddit.de 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Sadly i am not very attracted to male faces or penis 😪.

But lets be honest here, most women do not have animee tiddies. There are probably more flat chested women out there than those with very large ones. I just have to find one 🤞

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Be careful, if you say that flat chested adult women exist too loudly, Steam might ban you

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[–] ChoadPuncher@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Big or small,

I love 'em all

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago (8 children)

i like how my interpretation is completely different to everyone else.

naturally, if you were to be carrying a unit of monetary value, you would probably want the one that requires less space, and weight, though the primary factor here is weight. (mass if you want to fucking tumblr me)

30 dollars in bills is more valuable than 30 dollars in coins because it's more portable.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

They're fungible, and can be transferred into each other easily. They have the same value but different situational utility.

Value is not and cannot be derived solely based on utility in a vacuum. This is proven by the marginal utility of too many titties. While one pair of titties may have value based on their utility, each subsequent pair of titties decreases in utility, as you only have so many hands and so much time.

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[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

I guess we found Limmy's tumbler account

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I feel like with all the writers and grammar Nazis there, this problem is actually very minor on Tumblr compared to the rest of the internet.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Strong grammar skills isn't the same as comprehending, though. Being able to write, being able to write well--is also not the same as comprehending what someone else has written. Let alone what someone means by what they've written.

"thatguyfromthatwebsite" seems to have read and interpreted the language properties of the greentext, but was not able to comprehend it, not able to take one single step beyond the text to what the author intends it to mean.

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (4 children)

There's an easy experiment I've accidentally run.

Find a thread with a consensus emotion. For example, say that something is a scam, so you have outrage, mistrust, and scepticism.

Take some words from the opposite emotion, calm, trust, believe. Use them to make a point that agrees with the consensus. Watch the downvotes roll in.

People will focus on the emotions from the individual words and not think at all about their meaning as a whole.

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

YMMV, but I've had more issues with people being this obtuse here on Lemmy than I've ever seen on Tumblr.

Plus, Tumblr is basically all queer content creators who have been on the site for 10-14 years. Subtext is like oxygen to them at this point.

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