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The statute, which can lead to reproductive coercion in a state that has banned abortion, has recently gained nationwide attention

At six months pregnant, H decided enough was enough. She had endured years of abuse from her husband and had recently discovered he was also physically violent towards her child. She contacted an attorney to help her get a divorce.

But she was stopped short. Her lawyer told her that she could not finalize a divorce in Missouri because she was pregnant. “I just absolutely felt defeated,” she said. H returned to the house she shared with her abuser, sleeping in her child’s room on the floor and continuing to face violence. On the night before she gave birth, she slept in the most secure room in the house: on the tile floor in the basement, with the family’s dogs.

Under a Missouri statute that has recently gained nationwide attention, every petitioner for divorce is required to disclose their pregnancy status. In practice, experts say, those who are pregnant are barred from legally dissolving their marriage. “The application [of the law] is an outright ban,” said Danielle Drake, attorney at Parks & Drake. When Drake learned her then husband was having an affair, her own divorce stalled because she was pregnant. Two other states have similar laws: Texas and Arkansas.

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 224 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Missouri is a garbage state.

[–] fustigation769curtain@lemmy.world 167 points 8 months ago (19 children)

Two other states have similar laws: Texas and Arkansas.

Why am I not surprised? The sad part is, Texans are delusional enough to think they're better than Florida, lol.

I genuinely believe texans are the most delusional people in the entire US.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 79 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Recently met a Texas resident who swore it was the best place "to raise children"

If the news are to be believed, I think it was probably a veiled anti LGBTQ victory lap

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago

It wasn't a great place for Kyu Cho to raise his family.

FUCK Texas

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I bet their reasoning somehow boiled down to "taxes." The anti-LGBTQ stuff is just icing on the cake for most of these people.

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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I have the delusion that I'm going to escape this state one day.

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[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 32 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think we should stop pitting states against each other in a race to the bottom and see this for what it is: working class people having their rights taken away by the wealthy elite. The more we are divided the easier it is to do this type of thing. The politicians are doing this, not the people. And they have set up and continued to prop up a system that under educated voters, while also underpaying them and blaming it on anyone else they can do everyone is mad at everyone. We need to stop blaming each other and band together and force them to fix it.

[–] swab148@startrek.website 18 points 8 months ago

Thank you. Being a Texas resident, I'm not especially happy when I hear stuff like "all Texans are delusional", a lot of us simply don't have a choice in the matter of where we live. Some of us are trying to make this a better place to be, but it takes time and we're constantly blocked by rich assholes clinging to power like their lives depend on it (and they probably do at this point). Class consciousness is lifting up the less fortunate, don't put us down for laws and policies we had no say in creating.

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 178 points 8 months ago (7 children)

This Christofascist shit is getting out of control. On what planet is a woman staying with her abuser a good thing? What do you think is going to happen to her child if she stays?

If a pregnant woman is wanting a divorce, you can be certain of two things: 1) there's a reason for it, and 2) that reason is none of your fucking business. The party of small government, ladies and gentlemen.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 54 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Most conservatives around the world claim that they want to be small government, but really what they want is to control everything everybody does and if it all possible thinks. They literally are the opposite of conservatism.

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[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

“Small government” has been redefined by conservatives. When a democrat says small government, they mean they don’t want regulation in every part of their personal life.

When a conservative says they want small government, they mean they want a government big enough to oppress minorities, but too small to ensure those minorities have their rights respected.

That mentality is also largely why conservatives get so up in arms about the norm being shifted, and new things getting normalized. Because the conservative mindset is entirely focused on conforming to the norm, and excluding those outside of the norm. So if the norm changes, they believe they need to change to fit the new norm or they’ll suddenly find themselves excluded.

It’s why they get so upset about minor shit like blue hair or piercings; As they begin to see it normalized, they begin to think “will I be forced to get piercings or dye my hair just to conform?” They explicitly support changes to the norm that already confirm their worldview and habits, because that further entrenches them as the protected norm. But they rabidly oppose the normalization of anything that doesn’t fit.

So if you’re a white married hetero couple with two kids, that’s what you’ll support. No divorces allowed, because we’re married and can’t normalize divorce. No blue hair allowed, because we’re Wonder Bread white and have never dyed our hair, and therefore can’t allow anything but natural hair colors. No abortions allowed, because childfree couples are a threat to our norm. No gay marriage, because we’re hetero and can’t shift the norm away from that. No drug decriminalizing, because the occasional bottle of wine has always been enough for us and we can’t normalize anything else. Et cetera, et cetera…

[–] Fapper_McFapper@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

America is in its death throes. Republicans and Christians are choking her and the rest of us are just standing around wondering if anyone is going to step in and help.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 17 points 8 months ago

A government that’s just small enough to fit through your front door and rule your personal life.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 120 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Holy fuck, that's been a law since the 70s! 50 years of supposed progress and that's still on the books. How far we've come.

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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 63 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago (4 children)

How are you surprised?

Did you think conservatives finally started being honest with what they wanted?

They didn't stop with forced births, they won't stop with this, they want to go back to when women were literally property. Under control of their fathers until sold off in marriage for a dowry.

Because that's what the Bible says.

They just know that it's easier one step at a time then all at once.

If they get women as property, they'll push for other races and religions to also be property, because the Bible also says slavery was cool based on race/religion.

They're far right Abrahamic extremists, same as any other.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 21 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I am honestly surprised. I don’t live in the US and I just cannot fathom this being a law anywhere. Never in my wildest dreams.

The idea that you want a custody deal in place before the divorce, therefor pregnant women can’t get divorced is absurd and assumes a family law/divorce court wouldn’t ask that question, so I doubt that’s actually the reason.

This law just seems harmful and incentivizes awful awful things.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 61 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

What’s next? Gonna take away her ability to have her own credit card and bank account unless a man signs for her like we did in the ‘70s?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 37 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If they keep getting their way it probably actually is

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[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's a law that perfectly demonstrates why religion needs to be completely separated from state affairs.

They simply do not want children born out of wedlock.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 27 points 8 months ago

They also don't want children that results from adultery. They allow abortions for that. Wait, wait. Sorry, that's just the bible.

[–] squid_slime@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago (2 children)

America has some serious vindictive fucks running the country

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[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 52 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Why the hell is America such a backwater shithole? Like the education system in my country is deeply flawed, but at least we don't have religious zealots.

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[–] exanime@lemmy.today 47 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wow the USA is surely running backwards full speed

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is a very old law. It's recently garnered attention, and while I don't disagree with you, I don't think the law by itself is a symptom of backsliding because it's been around for a long time.

[–] HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Old law exist everywhere i have one where i live saying i can't throw little people on sunday the symptom of backsliding is actually using the law

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[–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Number one cause of death of pregnant people in the US is murder. I wonder what the rates are like in these states versus others.

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[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 42 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  1. Move to Missouri
  2. Marry a bunch of women and get them pregnant
  3. Tell them about each other
  4. Stream the fights on TokTik or something
  5. Profit
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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

One of the most depressing statistics that we all should be aware of: the murder rate for women goes up when they become pregnant.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Saying it goes up is a bit of an understatement. The number one cause of death for pregnant women is homicide. Most people assume it‘s some sort of pregnancy complication. But nope, it’s just straight up homicide. Because when a woman gets pregnant, there’s a good chance that the father is not okay with it.

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[–] FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Don't get married and don't have kids, got it.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago

It's not rape if you're married.

Gotta stay married if you're pregnant.

Some states have codified: pregnant, bare foot and chained to the stoves

'Merica!

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 38 points 8 months ago (11 children)

What the actual fuck is wrong with these people? They aren't even trying to hide the endgame here.

I guess it's time for blue states to start negating residency requirements for divorce. Just another step towards balkanization.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Where did this shift of this country becoming full evil? It felt like people were learning to be more empathic then a huge sudden turn the other way.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

There was a big shift after 9/11 that kept growing and amplifying

Edit: hate breeds and fosters hate. 9/11 injected a lot of hate

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (5 children)

This goes back to the 70s at least. Desegregation and the sexual revolution really pissed off conservatives. They saw how the court was expanding rights and realized the power controlling the courts allowed. Since then their project has been to seize control of the judicial system by any means necessary.

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[–] SolNine@lemmy.ml 26 points 8 months ago

What is wrong with these people?

We need to start an organization that helps to rehome any woman in one of these states to a state with sane laws.

I feel truly sorry for the women who have been brainwashed since birth to agree with these laws that subjugate them, and continue to vote for the people passing them.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (7 children)
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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

To think divorce during pregnancy is allowed here, but not in the US. Maybe people in the US shouldn't fear Shariah law if they are adopting even more regressive laws.

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[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 25 points 8 months ago (3 children)

That is perfectly consistent within Missouri. In their eyes, allowing same-sex marriages is "bad" while doing things like this is "good".

Ironically, despite what the Bible says - e.g. in Peter 3:7 commanding husbands to likewise treat their wives with respect, and the punishment of literal death commanded for adultery.

So they are doing the opposite of what the Bible commands themselves, while still using that book as justification for working to overturn things like Roe v. Wade for everyone else. Jesus Himself must be livid at how these hypocrites are abusing His name, and polluting the message of "show love/kindness to one another my dudes, especially those who you disagree with". People are literally dying.

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[–] ItsAFake@lemmus.org 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Alright, so it's quite obvious to me now that the US government is full of people with a breeding kink and it's enough to make bills pass, what happened to sexual deviance diversity!

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[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah okay, this is fucked up.

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[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

If this had been a law for me, I and my children might very well be dead now.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Misery indeed

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Everyone needs to realize white supremacists have disguised themselves as Christians to push white supremacy ideology. These are not Christians

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Conservatives believe women are property. Property does not get to make decisions. Only property owners may make decisions.

There is no "good conservative" alive today.

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