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[–] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 95 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Anyone noticed how Trumps legal plan has a lot of weird overlap with Sovereign Citizens?

Dudes repeatedly having to be told "you can't just declare immunity mate" so he goes on Truth Social and malds about how unfair it is.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 56 points 9 months ago

Well of course they're similar. Both Trump and Sovereign Citizens are idiots with no conceptual idea of how our government works.

[–] neptune@dmv.social 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you have lawyers you can pay, or pretend to pay, to make your stupid arguments, all of a sudden courts take you seriously.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's the baffling part to me. He doesn't pay them. He doesn't even pretend to pay them. And yet new lawyers keep popping up to argue his cases for him.

[–] Atom@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

His supporters pay them very well. They get bait and switched into donating to his PACs to instead of his campaign directly and those PACs pay the legal bills.

"As Trump's legal battles ramped up in the second half of last year, so did his legal spending -- with his political action committees reporting a total of $34 million in legal expenditures in the second half of last year compared to roughly $26 million in the first half, according to the disclosures.

Trump's leadership PAC, Save America, continued to foot much of Trump's legal bills in the second half of last year, spending nearly $26 million on legal fees and other related expenses, while only raising $6 million."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-spent-50m-pac-super-pac-money-legal/story?id=106843612

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“Think about the exposure you’ll get”

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 2 points 9 months ago

"People die from exposure."

[–] BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 95 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Please hold off punishing me from unsuccessfully cheating in the last election until I am able to successfully cheat in this one"

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm not so sure on this one. Supremes, even Trump appointees, like power and influence. Trump has already come out and said he isn't going to be bound by law which means they effectively will have no power anymore. The salary of a Supreme Court justice isn't enough to live on lavishly. Just as Justice Thomas who lives large by being buddy-buddy with industry leaders who stand to benefit from his rulings. No power in the future, no benefits in the future.

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'll believe that when I see it. Been told "No, they're definitely going to hold him accountable. He's in REAL trouble now, not like the last several decades of fake trouble he's been in" too many times now. I hope my pessimistic skepticism is misplaced, but I'm not holding my breath.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I’m not holding my breath.

I'm not either, but those with the decision to make lose if they give into Trump on this one. Thats a key difference to his prior decisions that went in his favor.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 9 months ago

But it's not a matter of Trump... He won't survive another term. He might not make it to election, win or lose - he's old as fuck.

It's about the freedom society, or whatever they call themselves - where will their backers land?

Because where their power meets the groups money is where luxury happens...

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 88 points 9 months ago
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

This was always the plan.

Stall as long as possible and then as a last ditch effort claim its too close to the election.ß

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 9 months ago

Could we get 100,000 (or however many it takes) eligible Lemmy users together, and all sign each others’ petitions to run for president, then all start committing crimes and be immune since we’re running for ~~god emperor~~ president.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Innocent people don’t need immunity. He admitted guilt. All we have to do is lock him up now.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I really enjoyed 2021 through mid-2023 when I stopped having to hear about this asshole all the time.

He literally consumes all news coverage whenever he opens his mouth or anything happens with him.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

There is no "right" to be able to run for president. Why do courts keep pretending that matters?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

He can't do this with the Georgia RICO case. He's fucked there in terms of appealing to SCOTUS.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There's a scenario there where Trump becomes President and then a state declares him guilty. What happens when they try to make him serve his sentence?

This is not a question we should ever need to answer, but we're staring at the possibility.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The trial would have to either be postponed until after the election or last that long. I don't think either is especially likely.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I had not heard that. Not good news.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago

You think there's ever going to be a jury of 12 that wouldn't have at least 1 person there refuse to vote guilty, no matter what? It's pretty much impossible that he'd get a jury conviction. Even if he shot someone in the face on a public stage.

They have 900 jurors to screen. Trying to agree on 12 that are politically neutral and actually not ending up with at least one secret Maga boy that lied on his screening survey will be nearly impossible out of the state of Georgia.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If he can do crimes and be immune, Biden can, too. Take a gun to the debate and take care of Donald.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I could shoot someone on 5th avenue....

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is some kind of psyop to see who snaps first and straight-up murders that motherfucker.

(Spoiler: it turns out to be Mike Lindell on a five day bender.)

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

You're now on a list. I know you're not serious, but be careful when saying this kind of stuff online. You don't know who may be reading, thinking you're threatening a former U.S. president, and taking you seriously.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure, the first rule is always take Internet comments seriously. That’s super efficient.

Meanwhile, the people who actually call judges offices, and write emails and texts using their full, real name to deliberately, literally threaten them with murder - yeah, nothing.

Hell, the guy who broadcast for them to do that got fined, what, 50 cents?

So i think we can relax a little about random stupid Internet comments. And take this traitor, more seriously.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

What's your source on people threatening judges with their real names?

And you don't think the secret service take all these things seriously?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Sure, the first rule is always take Internet comments seriously. That’s super efficient.

Meanwhile, the people who actually call judges offices, and write emails and texts using their full, real name to deliberately, literally threaten them with murder - yeah, nothing.

Hell, the guy who broadcast for them to do that got fined, what, 50 cents?

So i think we can relax a little about random stupid Internet comments. And take this traitor, more seriously.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

So, last week the Federal Appeals Court ruled against Trumps immunity motion and gave him until today to go to the Supremes. The question really is if SCOTUS will take the case.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


It met a deadline to ask the justices to intervene that the federal appeals court in Washington set when it rejected Trump’s immunity claims and ruled the trial could proceed.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former President Donald Trump faces a Monday deadline for asking the Supreme Court to extend the delay in his trial on charges he plotted to overturn his 2020 election loss.

The federal appeals court in Washington set the deadline for filing when it rejected Trump’s immunity claims last week and ruled the trial could proceed.

If Trump were to defeat President Joe Biden, he could potentially try to use his position as head of the executive branch to order a new attorney general to dismiss the federal cases he faces or even seek a pardon for himself.

The Supreme Court has previously held that presidents are immune from civil liability for official acts, and Trump’s lawyers have for months argued that that protection should be extended to criminal prosecution as well.

The case was argued before Judges Florence Pan and J. Michelle Childs, appointees of Biden, a Democrat, and Karen LeCraft Henderson, who was named to the bench by President George H.W.


The original article contains 973 words, the summary contains 195 words. Saved 80%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

More like Supreme Cunts

[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago

Bro are his lawyers a few sheets of notes come up with something else?