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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

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“I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual,” Thiel wrote in an online libertarian journal in 2019 (awful.systems)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems

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Bwahahahaha get fucked you unbearable scumsucking dork

I mean just look at his fucking sentence construction with the rule of three and the cute internal rhyme/alliteration on “ideology/inevitability/individual”

I’m sorry, and this isn’t massively SneerClub except insofar as the death bit is obviously very Yud-coded, it’s just this quote came up again in the middle of a long and really bleak article, and for whatever reason I just burst out laughing

He’s always so goddamn indignant, like he’s being bullied for his lunch money but he came prepped with the most badass comebacks he could think of in the mirror - I mean seriously, read the quote back to yourself out loud and see if it would ever work outside “an online libertarian journal”, let alone on a stage

Look at his fucking face, how does this guy get up in the morning and not only take himself seriously, but take himself that goddamn seriously

Anyway…

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[–] TheIvoryTower@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I hate that billionaires like him see a country like New Zealand, and decide to build their apocalypse escape bunkers there, then say: “this country is perfect, but it just needs a few policy changes to make it exactly like America, the country I’m fleeing”

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

“In 2022, Andreessen [owner of however many multi-multi-million $ properties] and his inveighed against building multi-family housing in their swanky Peninsula hometown of Atherton - average annual income $539,000, median home price $7.9 million - with an email to city government that read: ‘Please IMMEDIATELY REMOVE all multi-family overlay zoning projects from the Housing Element which will be submitted to the state in July. They will MASSIVELY decrease our home values, the quality of life of ourselves and our neighbours and IMMENSELY increase the noise pollution and traffic’

Like there’s already the completely twisted economic logic of housing as a personal investment, propped up by too many governments everywhere who can’t afford to lose votes by pointing out that it’s been nonsensical and unsustainable for decades, but to then add to that the logic of doing it even when you don’t have any genuine perverse incentive to insist on making ROI from the resale value of your house

Just “I’m white as shit and this is what we do when we’re billionaires too”

You know, if you can remotely put aside the less-than-dogwhistling racism for a second

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 10 points 10 months ago

@TheIvoryTower @YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM

The thing is they’re not fleeing “America” as it is now. They’re setting up a bolt hole for the apocalypse.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Somewhere in the world there is a McLaren F1 engineer who is cursing himself every day for being a competent engineer.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I need context.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

https://nypost.com/2022/03/26/how-elon-musk-and-peter-thiel-almost-died-in-a-2000-car-crash/

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

what could have been

this happened before thiel got idea of his stupid antieducational prize, which indirectly resulted in buterin making ethereum

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, World of Warcraft taking too long to nerf the class played mainly by the devs is also to blame for that one.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 10 months ago

it's not only buterin, some other crypto people and ea people also got it

[–] raktheundead@fedia.io 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You know, one of the things I resent the most about shits like Thiel and Andreessen and Altman going around with ideas like supervillains from a Saturday morning cartoon is that whenever I try to talk to other people that aren't familiar with them about their ideas, those ideas are so excessive and ridiculous that I end up looking like a crank and conspiracy theorist just talking about them.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 10 months ago

I end up looking like a crank and conspiracy theorist just talking about them.

There are good reasons to warn people to not read more sneerclub content esp when they are not familiar with this stuff already. It just makes you look insane. (being a honest fan of the LW writings does the same of course).

[+] bamfic@autonomous.zone 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

He has 10 surviving kids, not that many partners iirc (but don't look into the age gaps for his partners if you don't want to see a creepy pattern, but I try not to focus on his exes that much, as while some of them post sneerworthy content I don't think 'being an ex of a billionaire shithead' makes people a valid sneertarget for their silly rightwing SV opinions). But yeah it is strange how often that kind of light eugenics stuff comes up. (See also Epstein) Combined with his anti immigrant stances and SA background it is a pretty bad. (What is also creepy about the man how he is dragging X (who he is in a custody battle over) to all his events, and that is basically the only kid you see him in public with. But as far as Musk goes, he really is the odd one out of the bunch, as he really seems to believe a lot of the dumb shit the mega rich peddle to other people, like the meritocracy. You can also see just how little he understood of all of this by his stances on paperclip AGI 'just make them not kill humans' [sounds of Yud crying]. And the we might be in a simulation argument (of which he takes the ancestor simulation part to argue that we live most likely in a simulation (iirc the og argument goes to 'we might' and doesn't try to argue we prob do (which is a different and dumber argument)).

And say what you want about Thiel at least he isn't' trying to breed a race of mini-Thiels (he just educates them).

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yeah well since gawker god knows what people aren’t covering about thiel’s breeding programme

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

He prob breeds the new mutant Chernobyl wolves.

Edit: no I do not mean it like that you damn furries! (I realized I made an error in phrasing here).

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Radioactive Wolf Twinks? My God, what have we done…

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

At least they don't have cancer!

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@Soyweiser @bamfic

Also Musk’s grandfather, a raging racist and antisemite who, if I recall correctly, moved from Canada *to* South Africa because of apartheid.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe Musk’s dad has recently remarried with a younger woman and plans to have more “pure” kids.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 10 months ago

Yes yes, the whole family is weird, but lets keep the subject on the rich tech paypal dweebs.

Ow and before I forget, his brother Kimbal Musk got a girlfriend from Epstein.

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i had a moment and i wanted to share it with everybody

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

got the source article?

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don’t have the source article, my full title is all one quote from the latest issue of the London Review of Books. But I’ve seen it before multiple times - it’s out there and findable

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Sir, this is a society

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 10 months ago

I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual,

“And that’s why I’m announcing project Kenjaku-Orochimaru, where I find twinks to transplant my brain into”

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait Thiel doesn’t think everyone will die? Is he one of those cryo nuts on top of everything else?

Shit dude even the pre-socratics come to us via a long game of telephone. Ideas die too.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 12 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yes, he intends to be frozen as a fashion statement.

His belief is such that he has signed up with Alcor, the leading company in the field of cryogenics, to be deep-frozen at the time of his death – as much as an ‘ideological statement’, he says, as in any expectation of being thawed out any time in the near future. ‘In telling you that I’ve signed up for it [cryogenics], there’s always this reaction that it’s really crazy, it’s disturbing. But my take on it is it’s only disturbing because it challenges our complacency.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11098971/Peter-Thiel-the-billionaire-tech-entrepreneur-on-a-mission-to-cheat-death.html

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the leading company in the field of cryogenics

I'm sorry, how do you measure that? Aren't all companies exactly tied in cryogenics for having successfully revived exactly ZERO people?

[–] strangebirds@mastodon.xyz 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

@V0ldek They haven't accidentally unplugged a freezer yet?

[–] m@blat.at 9 points 10 months ago

@strangebirds @V0ldek I’d like to think that every human cryo facility has a “Days Since Last Accidental Thawing-Out” sign. Or maybe “Days Since Last Midnight Dumping of Several Lumpy Sacks”.

[–] dashdsrdash@awful.systems 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is that actually true? Have they been audited? One problem with long-term storage is "long-term" is a thing that humans are bad at.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 10 months ago

Just the other day, a bunch of cryo tanks holding scientific specimens in a research hospital in Sweden failed and destroyed 30 years worth of data.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 10 months ago

best you can get is attestation from some obscure company in Bahamas

[–] jonhendry@awful.systems 6 points 10 months ago

Supposedly the head of baseball legend Ted Williams was frozen, but was dropped and cracked at some point. Don't know if that was the same company.

[–] self@awful.systems 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

But my take on it is it’s only disturbing because it challenges our complacency.

Peter what in the Sam fuck are you talking about?

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 13 points 10 months ago

peter is so brave for going after Big Death

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 10 months ago

Thiel is a serial fool for the patient-funded-trial scam, e.g. the young blood scam

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 9 points 10 months ago

I don’t think it’s disturbing. I think it’s a crock of shit but a fool and his money and all that. It sounds like Thiel doesn’t actually understand why people think he’s crazy.

[–] jonhendry@awful.systems 9 points 10 months ago

In the old days rich people just donated money to build a chapel, with priests or monks continually praying for the rich dead person's soul.

[–] Shitgenstein1@awful.systems 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

He looks like he's in the early stages of being possessed by a Dark Overlord from Howard the Duck.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 8 points 10 months ago

"Confiscatory taxes" as opposed to what? Voluntary ones? Just say you don't like taxes as if we couldn't guess already.

[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 7 points 10 months ago

I don't usually comment on appearance but his face does have the angular qualities of a tangram puzzle

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What even is an "authoritarian collective"? An oligarchy? A plutocracy?

[–] grumpybozo@toad.social 6 points 10 months ago

@PyroNeurosis @sneerclub Something like a national socialist party…

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Anything to the left of, and including, the US Democratic Party.

[–] Apollonius_Cone@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Wait until he hears about the autonomous collective.