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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Israel has previously denied harvesting organs from dead Palestinians without the consent of families, calling such accusations "antisemitic".

Ever notice how anytime someone accuses Israel of something, Israel says it's antisemitic?

Their accusations mean nothing, because at this point the Israeli government just reflexively says it.

[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn't organ harvesting a really difficult process that needs to be handled quickly and shortly after death?

I wouldn't put it past Israel, given their behavior, but this seems initially implausible to me, as someone with limited knowledge of the medical process.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Kidneys can last like a day and a half outside the body...

But Israel is taking a lot of living prisoners, and returning bodies that are missing organs which coincidentally are almost always ones that are transplantable...

It's fine to be cautious, but what other rationale would you use for those organs being missing from returned bodies?

I don't think Israel has even given an alternative, but I may have missed it

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But the article here doesn’t say anything about living prisoners. It only mentions corpses that were taken from hospitals then returned, plus an accusation that they are digging up graves. Both of which would be long expired.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

If you think that's all it talks about, you didn't read till the end...

A controversial Israeli television investigation in 2014 included confessions from high-ranking officials that skin was taken from the bodies of dead Palestinians and African workers to treat Israelis, such as soldiers with burn injuries.

In it, the director of the Israeli Skin Bank revealed the country's reserve of “human skin” reached 17 square meters - a huge number relative to Israel's population.

It goes in Israel's history of taking organs from non Israelis, even foreign workers.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Ever notice how anytime someone accuses Israel of something, Israel says it's antisemitic?

Sounds like something an antisemite would say!

/s

You're 100% correct.

[–] Woofcat@lemmy.ca 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In what world would this make sense? People really need to think these things through.

The NGO claimed it has documented Israeli forces confiscating dozens of dead bodies from the al-Shifa and Indonesian hospitals in northern Gaza, alongside others in the south.

Medical professionals reportedly found vital organs, such as livers, kidneys and hearts, alongside cochleas and corneas, were missing, which the Euro-Med Monitor called "evidence" of potential organ theft.

After death you have 4~ hours to harvest a heart. So they're claiming someone died in Gaza, they got the body to the morgue then Israel captured the hospital, took the bodies and fast choppered them to another medical center, to harvest a heart... all within 4 hours of death.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They also have thousands of "prisoners" who are loosely tracked, many without formal charges against them

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/29/jailed-without-charge-how-israel-holds-thousands-of-palestinian-prisoners

They're not just taking dead bodies, they're taking living humans

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 points 9 months ago

And you have to consider that Israel controls Palestine's birth register and ID card issuance. Palestinians can't be desaparecidos if they never appeared (on the books) in the first place, right?

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure but other tissues within the heart, like valves, might last longer. Also many parts can be used for research, not necessarily transplantation.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also many parts can be used for research, not necessarily transplantation.

Oh well that's all well and good then. Carry on!

/s

(Also not accusing you of making that argument)

[–] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 9 months ago

The discussion is of feasibility, not morality.

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I find this difficult to believe since I assume their dogma would be that a Palestinian organ in an Israeli body would be immediate disqualification for heaven. If tattoos are considered self-mutilation, a Hamas heart must be worse.