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President Biden vowed on Monday to veto a House Republican bill that would provide $17.6 billion in aid to Israel, calling it a “cynical political maneuver” intended to hurt the chances of passage for broader legislation that would provide money for Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan and the U.S. border.

House Republicans fiercely oppose the larger bill, which was unveiled by a small, bipartisan group of senators over the weekend. It calls for $118.3 billion in spending and would overhaul some of the nation’s immigration laws to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 185 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The president hears the people no longer agree with our stance on Israel

The president changes his policies to reflect the will of the people

This is how it's supposed to work!

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 91 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's unfortunate that I have run into people that don't believe that. I once got called a flipflopper because I commented one stance based on inaccurate information I had, and was given new accurate information which changed my mind.

People be treating reality like a high school debate club and just sticking with a position because that's what they choose at the beginning. You can change your mind. Especially if it's based on new information you didn't have before.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Right? I knew that Gaza was bad before this conflict but I didn't have any real information. I then went and educated myself and I have a pretty firm opinion on the subject now which is different than it used to be.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Highschool debate club has failed if that's what people compare actual debate to. It's necessary to take a firm stand in a discussion, even being devil's advocate is fine, as long as it happens objectively.

But I guess HS debates just end after three rounds and then no retrospective happens about what stance (not WHO) was right and why.

TL;DR HS debates were supposed to be better than this.

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[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thats not what is happening though is it?

The republicans want to kill funding for Ukraine, humantiarian aid and better protection of jewish and muslim places of worship against US domestic terrorism.

So they propose a "fund Israel only" bill, that Biden has to veto on and they can cry out against. He still wants the IDF to receive that money though, so they can continue destroying what is left of Gaza and kill and drive out even more people.

[–] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago (16 children)

It’s hilarious that you think that’s actually what he wants.

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[–] thantik@lemmy.world 134 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is so stupid. NYTimes putting the phrase "to deal with recent surges of migrants at the southern border"...there IS no surge of migrants. They're pushing bullshit in a passive way to make it sound legitimate.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 99 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (22 children)

Yeah, migrants just love to surge come election time.

What a bullshit.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Remember the massive "caravan" of migrants Fox breathlessly talked about as it made its way to the border?

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[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Let's see what the source says:

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters

There were 50k more border encounters (illegal apprehensions) in December than the year before. In fact, encounters have been significantly higher than recent years since August (no data for January).

You can agree or disagree with the response to the influx of people at the border. But there is no denying there has been a considerable increase in traffic.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Except we've heard this (the surge point) every year for the past several election seasons and at other times. Someone didn't learn the lesson of the boy who cried wolf. Tough to get people to listen when it's actually happening if you bullshit them at other times.

[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I don't disagree one bit. The Border(TM) gets trotted out more than it ought to every couple years. That's probably why this issue will never be fixed--it's great at riling people up.

However, I think people should still be aware of the facts of the situation. At least if they actually care about the problem. Misinformation doesn't fix anything.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I agree. And I appreciate you sharing that information.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

If you think this is BS, then bring numbers and facts. This surge, at the moment, is real. Check OP's link.

It's real. It's happening. FFS, put politics aside, this is a humanitarian issue. And how are we to absorb so many extra immigrants this year?

Conservatives are bitching about jobs. Liberals are bitching about housing costs. Both concerns are wildly complex, but we have an issue right now, today.

Check my earlier comments and numbers. How do you propose to deal with an extra CHICAGO+ worth of humans? How fast can we build infrastructure and housing? I will point out, we're only talking about illegal Southern border crossings, leaving out the rest of the immigration story. FFS, my wife is an immigrant. We're trying to get her son over here.

I don't have ideas, no ideas we can deploy fast enough, I ain't that smart. But just because conservatives are pitching a fit doesn't mean our current border crossings are not an issue.

We're talking about live human beings here. Waving them off as a GOP conspiracy is ignorant at best, hurting people. Want to go to the border and tell those people they're not real? Tell them they're GOP pawns? Or, someone will come along and tell me they don't believe government numbers they don't agree with. Like the nuts did with COVID and the CDC?

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Could absolutely be more enforcement, and not more traffic.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I think the increase is corroborated by other measures, such as the size of tent cities in Tijuana etc.

Still, even if calling it a "migrant surge" is factually accurate, that doesn't stop it from being propagandistic loaded language that any legitimate media outlet should avoid.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Did they add more enforcers, or did the existing ones get better at catching them?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 68 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

This is like the worst version of the trolley problem being worked out in real time.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Republicans be like:

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[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I hate that the two are becoming more and more conflated. Ukraine is fighting off a invasion; Israel is invading and has driven the people of palestine into radical organization and direct action. These funds should go to aid and peace efforts instead.

[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Also Gaza is NOT a war while Ukraine is, Gaza is a genocide.

In Ukraine organized military forces clash over territory with both sides fielding artillery, tanks, aircraft and other sophisticated military systems. Russia is seeking to control Ukraine and annex most of it, but it literally has to roll tanks all the way through contested territory to do this.

Israel already controls and surrounds all of Gaza, it controls all administrative and infrastructural aspects of Gaza so much so that Israel was able to build a wall straight through the heart of Gaza just to fuck with Palestinians. There is no ground war in Gaza with infantry divisions fighting over territory, there is just Israel repeatedly dropping an absolutely absurd amount of bombs (dropping in several weeks on the tiny footprint of Gaza what the bomb happy US only managed to drop in a year in the Iraq War) on a civilian population that has no means to leave even if they wanted to.

You don’t need to fight a war when you can just shut the water, lights and internet off to an entire city, you can shutter the hospitals with a lift of a finger. If there was a war, it was over long ago and what people call a “war” now is mere symbolic violent resistance meant to attract the attention of someone powerful enough to help (or stop). The thing that should make every one of us want to scream is the only problems the Israeli government sees with cut off water and let ‘em starve solution is that 1. it doesn’t kill Palestinians fast enough to sweep under the rug out of international scrutiny and 2. it doesn’t magically bulldoze the houses of the Palestinians killed and erased like a bomb does all in one go.

Hamas is not a terrorist organization because it chose to be one instead of a traditional army, it is a terrorist organization because a war with large armies is simply impossible for Hamas to even begin to fight against the combined military industrial complex of the U.S. and Israel. I say “begin” specifically because in order to fight a war with a military you have to first bring together all your soldiers and the minute Hamas did that Israel would carpet bomb the map square of that gathering place out of existence. War over before it even started.

I am not defending Hamas (I am so tired of saying this, of course they are awful) but simply pointing out Israel’s main justification for their genocide is that Hamas chooses to be a terrorist organization because they are evil and not because it is an organization of people who feel armed resistance is necessary (a sentiment Israeli’s should understand) and terrorism is literally the only armed resistance option on the table. It’s not like Hamas makes tunnels because they love digging and just don’t feel like fielding columns upon columns of 120mm main battle tanks they have in storage…

What is happening in Gaza is collective punishment for the actions of a few, it is genocide, it is horrific slaughter and land theft, it is a disgusting rightwing fantasy of violence but It is NOT a war that makes the IDF look way too honorable here. Gaza is what happens after a war ends and one side has complete power over the other. It is closer to soldiers raping and pillaging a civilian population en masse in the wake of an invasion than a war.

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[–] CylonBunny@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also Gaza is the size of basically just one neighborhood inside of Kiev alone. The scale of two the conflicts are so massively different. Many Americans I’ve discussed this with have no idea how much bigger Ukraine is.

[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah that's definately another great point. Ukraine and Palestine are both threatened by colonialist erasure, that's the parallel I'd like to see drawn- they absolutely have that in common. Would love to see Israel and it's nationalist government compared to Russia more often- there's so much misinformation and misdirection in the news nowadays.

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[–] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Outrage should be reserved until it’s known what’s on the bill. It was drawn up by conservatives- I’d wager its purpose is to disenfranchise far left voters.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 37 points 9 months ago (32 children)

Anything drawn up by conservatives will be worthy of outrage. They're not going to magically stop being monsters.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It'll also be pork barreled up the ying yang.

And America wonders why it's debt is so high. :(

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[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Isn't Israel the 'bigger fish' in their conflict? I don't question that our status is "allies", but it's so strange thinking they need "help"?

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 16 points 9 months ago

It's even more gross if you read the article. Mike Johnson is saying Israel is "fighting for its very existence." Fucking lying conservative trash.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 12 points 9 months ago (15 children)

Israel would have no chance of continueing its escalation with all the neighbouring countries if it wasnt for US military aid. They dont have the capacities to produce that many bombs, missiles, tank and artillery shells.

The US needs Israel to be at perpetual escalation and war to destabilize the Midlle East and prevent the emergence of an unified arab bloc that would be the size of the EU, but control many of the cheap oil ressources and vital trade routes.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago
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