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  • Mozilla has issued a warning about Microsoft's design practices, claiming that the company uses harmful design tactics to influence users to switch to its Edge browser.
  • The report highlights how Microsoft interrupts the installation process of Google Chrome on Windows devices, promoting the security and privacy benefits of Edge.
  • Mozilla calls for regulatory action to restore browser choice and competition across major platforms.

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[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 162 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Microsoft really wants someone to remind it of these days:

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I like that part of firefox's summary was that it's free. Uh, yeah, they all are. Thanks Mozilla!

[–] Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 1 year ago

Well, its not proprietary

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago

Opera originally wasn't free.

Also, while it is chromium based, Vivaldi is excellent and is essentially a bunch of old Opera team members.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

It is the only Free software in that dialog though.

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[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly surprised Opera and Mozilla don't strike again together

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago

Opera gave up a long time ago when they abandoned Presto. Today it is owned by some Chinese company, and they are just chasing the latest buzzwords, crypto, AI, you name it.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 110 points 1 year ago
[–] Geo_bot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 1 year ago

Microsoft really trying to get away with what it did in the browser wars again, but it's probably gonna turn out on for them this time

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So Microsoft just does the same shit they've done a hundred times before and have been penalized for a hundred times before.

Give them a few billion dollars fine.

Jail those managers that made this decision

THAT will make sure they will start behaving. If not, it's all just "please don't" and Microsoft being "suuuuurely we would never ever!"

Fuck Microsoft

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

have been penalized for a hundred times before

That's where you're wrong. The last time they shoveled their browser at us in clearly anti-competitive ways they were found guilty and then ... nothing. Essential software or some such, and nothing.

So no, they haven't been penalized; not on their Sherman offence, and here they go repeating it.

Hammer them.

[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The clickbait in this article is so bad, I thought it was a security vulnerability or something, but it's just something else related to Mozilla again.

I'm still genuinely curious if Mozilla is going to actually accept a renewal for the search deal with Google, or if they're actually going to start practicing with a praise and try implementing that search engine selection screen.

[–] Alcatorda@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

practicing with a praise

Not sure what you mean but maybe you were going for "practicing what they preach"?

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

or if they're actually going to start practicing with a praise and try implementing that search engine selection screen.

You already can change the default search engine?

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[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whenever I'm forced to use Edge for work it reminds me of old IE that your grandma installed the Ask toolbar in. Functions about the same too.

[–] Inky@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is there any material difference between Edge and Chrome? I'm forced to use either of them for work and as far as I can tell they perform the same

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[–] Piwix@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago

Legit malware shown in this article. Imagine an operating system/browser injecting what are essentially ads into your webpage. Whether or not chrome or edge are any good these are scummy tactics by microsoft

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah MS has never done anything like that before...

Looks at MS Word in early nineties...

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Look at what they did with Internet Explorer. Same shit.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can the EU just Thanos snap Microsoft out of existence with a quadrillion euro fine?

[–] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

That would be a sure fire way to get Microsoft to pull completely out of Europe leaving thousands of companies without support and a heafty unpaid fine setting on the table.

It would actually be beneficial for Microsoft to abandon the server farms and offices leaving workers with an email stating the situation and their new job status.

[–] meat_popsicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You think Microsoft has no assets in Europe? Asset seizure is a sure fire way to get paid when companies refuse to cooperate.

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[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think they make no profits in Europe? Why would they be here if they didn't?

[–] NucleusAdumbens@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's fair to assume their profits are less than 1 quadrillion euros

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Again, install Linux already and be done with this shit.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's always so easy to say, isn't it?

[–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Far easier to do too. I did one of each last month and there's no question that the Windows setup experience is terrible in comparison.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The software and hardware I'm using won't work on Linux.

[–] XenoDial@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

And that's the part that everyone ignores. They'll say open a VM or use wine or there's an open source alternative. But if I'm going to run native Linux just to open a windows VM to run the primary software I use, what's the point? I'm not bashing on either side. I use Windows when I need and, and go back to Linux when I'm finished, but that's because that's the solution that works for me.

[–] nintendiator@feddit.cl 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

File the required issues with those manufacturers then. Support for Linux is trivially easy to add compared to Microsoft: the kernel sources and stuff to create your modules are right there.

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That works until they explicitly say they won’t support Linux, eg. Adobe, Bungie, GoXLR, etc

Plenty of companies know that it’s trivial to implement. They just simply do not care, nor will they ever care.

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[–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Same here, to a certain extent.

I was referring only to Linux's lack of bullshittery in comparison to Windows, nothing else.

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[–] graymess@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Linux users are what everyone says vegans are.

[–] vinhill@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

But they speak from a high a position of superiority and rightness.

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[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago

What is this clickbait bullshit? Here I was expecting more arguments I could use to move people away from Chrome, but the warning is just typical Microsoft trying to promote their own garbage browser.

[–] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a super clickbait title.

Yes, what Microsoft does is pretty shitty but the article sounds like there's some massive zero day hack or something to watch out for when it's just standard business practice.

[–] AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed. I would've changed it except I had in the back of my mind that the post title needed to match the article title, but now I don't see that in the rules. Oh well. But yeah the article is not really about Chrome at all.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

You know what else is different about Lemmy? Post titles are editable!

[–] Teknikal@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this will ultimately backfire on them I gave the bing app a chance on my phone and I got so tired of the try edge interruptions I unninstalled everything Microsoft.

The search was actually decent but the constant nagging was very annoying.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Use ecosia. It's the same search engine except it respects your privacy and plants trees with you as revenue.

https://www.ecosia.org

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I updated my proton app recently and as I was updating it Microsoft edge updater tried installing updates as well for some reason.

I don't even have edge installed. I simply blocked it from having net access but still, they can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut if they think I'm putting that on my system.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

One time I uninstalled Edge and Cortana from Win10. Some time later Windows Updates started to fail and would rollback. This continued for 6 months and by that time I stopped giving a shit since Win10 is malware anyway.

Another few months went by and I was bored enough to follow the usually useless links to MS knowledge base articles that are given after a failed update.

After another week of trying everything I came across or could think of, I downloaded the install for Edge and reinstalled. Ran the Windows Update again and the god damned thing was successful. Apparently it contained an Edge-specific update but didn't check if it was installed or not and fail gracefully if it was the latter.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sorry, team nobody on this one. You both suck and need to stop what you're doing.

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[–] ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't think anyone on this platform would be dumb enough to use Google Chrome anyways.

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