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[–] breckenedge@lemmy.world 73 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The moment GMan’s mouth fucking moved in Half Life when he talked. 🤯

[–] Misconduct@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I still remember the first time a character's feet lined up when they walked up stairs. Couldn't believe it lol. I wish I could remember what game it was but it was SO long ago. I do remember later being similarly impressed by MGS2 stairs

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[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 55 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Anymore = ever again

Any more = any further

They're two different things.

They don't make games that look like that anymore, even though we thought the graphics couldn't get any more realistic back then.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know everyone was scanning your comment hard to see if you made any grammar mistakes.

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Tbf these games were made with crtvs in mind and crtvs blurred the edges making things look smoother. They only look so blocky nowadays because newer tvs have better resolution so you can clearly see all the blocky edges.

[–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have never in my life seen someone refer to CRT TVs as crtvs and it's really fucking with my head lmao

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's a habit I picked up from my dad lol

He always called them crtvs because he thought the "tube" part of cathode ray tube was unnecessary when using the acronym. You know it's a tube because what else would a cathode ray be in?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

I liked it better when I thought it meant Cathode Ray TubaVision

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[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)
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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Emulators have filters for that, though.

Btw, is there something similiar for wine? Not vkbasalt, because dxvk can create issues with too big address space in older games.

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I used to have a subscription to Game Informer magazine. I very specifically remember the multi page preview for the upcoming game, Oblivion. The pictures they had in there, I swear to God, were actually pictures of trees and grass. The fidelity was unparalleled and it was the peak of what games could do. Idk why that article sticks out so much, but it felt like the top of the mountain.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I had Quake running with software 3D, got a 3DFX board and patched Quake to run with hardware 3D and the results just blew my mind...

[–] Emotional_Sandwich@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I remember upgrading to a voodoo 3dfx card around the time transparent water was possible in Quake. The graphics blew me away and the ability to see players in the water gave a ridiculous advantage.

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[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Hah I get that but it was for half life 1 and I thought the graphics were amazing. Rainbow 6 rogue spear was my first PC game and I thought that was the pinacle of graphics... fuck I'm old.

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[–] didnt_readit@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Man for me it was playing Halo CE on the original Xbox, you could see the individual blades of glass on the ground texture! I was absolutely blown away haha

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[–] half_fry_doctor@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

At least we were happy back then

[–] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Someone already mentioned those graphics were optimized for old CRT TV's, but also consider the fact that it was simply the best wed seen, and it blew our minds.

Just imagine what top notch realism will be 20 years from now, assuming it's not all DLC for the same old stuff, obviously.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Honestly, a good CRT shader is a real game changer for emulation. Many emulators have the ability to add a mesh grid over the top of the image, but this is just about the worst way to try to emulate a CRT; It doesn’t actually emulate CRT pixels, and the black grid laid on top of everything simply reduces the overall image brightness.

For an example of a good CRT shader, consider looking into CRT Royale. The benefit to a shader is that it’s actually running each frame through a calculation before it reaches your screen. So it is actually able to emulate a CRT properly. Shaders can actually emulate the individual red/green/blue pixels of CRTs, emulate the bloom around white text, emulate the smearing that occurs with large color differences, etc… It really does make old games much more pleasant to look at.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 9 months ago

We hit diminishing returns a while ago. It will be much harder to find improvements, both in terms of techniques and computation.

Consider that there is ten years between Atari Pitfall and Wolfenstein 3D, ten years between that and Metroid Prime, and ten years between that and Mass Effect 3, and then about ten years between that and now. There's definitely improvement between all those, but once past Metroid Prime, it becomes far less obvious.

We've hit the point where artistic style is more important than taking advantage of every clock cycle of the GPU.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

This is even earlier, the 80s, but I remember getting a not especially good game called The Halley Project for my Apple II, but I would load the game over and over again because the intro had a song with real vocals and guitar, something basically unheard of on an Apple II, or virtually any other computer at the time.

So I loaded it. Over and over.

And this is no different.

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[–] ryan@the.coolest.zone 18 points 9 months ago

For me it wasn't a video game but adjacent - I saw Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within in 2001 and thought "well, that's it, computer graphics have achieved photorealism and nothing could possibly ever be better."

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Because we were stuck on "how did they put a whole world in the TV?!" And hadn't gotten to "but why they triangle?"

3d was huge, it didn't matter that it was ugly.

[–] NostraDavid@programming.dev 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Here's a decent impression of the times: http://i.imgur.com/mAUyo.jpg

But back in the day (2003-ish) we still had amazing things to look forward to:

  • translucency (windows were not see-through)
  • realtime lighting and shadows (shadows were blobs below a model)
  • metallic reflection, and reflections in general (though working mirrors existed since at least Duke Nukem 3D, but those were a hack; copy the room and player model and flip them around to create the effect of a mirror)
  • further viewing distances (though this isn't a positive, IMO)
  • physics (everything was static - models moved, but did not rotate (much))
  • inverse kinematics

It's crazy how far we've gotten, but view distances spoil everything (IMO), and graphical improvements have slowed down (not stalled, but definitely slowed down) with Ray Tracing becoming wide-spread being the last big graphical improvement (since 2018).

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And even then it was amazing. Honestly, some games of the era just never lost relevancy, and I play a few myself to this day.

(Picture - Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, 2003, the best lightsaber fighting game of all times)

[–] DangedIfYouDid@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Curious to hear more about your stance on view distance because you felt it needed to be mentioned twice.

I can't imagine anything about increased potential being inherently bad in an of itself, but it does present more opportunities for level designers to fall short by under-utilizing the spaces.

There is a level of charm that came from the compromise forced by technical limitations which pushed a lot of detail into sky boxes and other 2D workarounds to simulate a 3D space. Even so, it was always frustrating when you became aware that those details would only ever be unavailable to explore up close.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Needs to be seen on a CRT. :)

https://youtu.be/_PVTo8z3pl4

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Didn't get the "graphics can't get any better" idea, however, when Quake came out, and we turned on GL graphics, it really hit me that eventually graphics could, eventually, be actually realistic. Like, it is hard to explain to people born after this era the INSANE leap forward Quake was.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I remember when the movie Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within was being claimed by people as an animated movie that was so photorealistic, you wouldn't even be able to tell you were looking at animated characters.

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

TBF it hasn't gotten much better than that in the 22 years since. Beowolf was cool, though.

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

~~This~~ These caused protests

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Unreal on a Voodoo3 had fucking reflections on the walkway, and I watched that damn intro over and over.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Did games get any better though when the graphics got better? I remember being so hyped seeing PS3 game footage pre-2006, then after a few years it was like "oh shit, we have to go back!"

[–] Misconduct@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Some did and some didn't. I'm pretty salty as the FF7 remake because, to me, it feels like it's missing the heart of the original game. And the chocobo shit which I loved. I just wish they'd stop cheapening things when they remade them ffs. They just make them look nice and it feels like they put no other effort into it. Which is idiotic because they already have the whole game mapped out. Just remake it how it fucking was goddammit >:(

Meanwhile, BG3, the new Spiderman games, and the new Zelda games were (to me) fantastic. The perfect mixes of gorgeous graphics and actually solid gameplay that felt like they had some love and soul put into them.

So it's a mixed bag and at the end of the day pretty graphics can't trick people into liking games that should have been better. We complain about Skyrim being ported all over the damn place but at least they don't drop half the original content every time. That's such a sad low bar but there it is.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

PS2 graphics were pretty on point. Upscale to a modern resolution, many of them still look decent now.

Xbox 360 era we got a lot of normal maps added (so models looked a lot more complex than they were).

PS4 added physically based rendering (ability to make parts of models look shiny without needing to separate them).

And the new shit is ray tracing, which PS5 isn't really powerful enough to do, but honestly neither are most affordable PCs. We get nicer lighting at least, but we'll still be on the old render paths for a while yet.

You still get improvements over time, but nothing is really going to compare to PS1 to PS2.

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Even back in 1999 we could tell the difference between in-game graphics and pre-rendered cutscenes. Nobody thought that the blocky model shown here was as good as it got.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

That's got phong shading for a start. Was pretty advanced for a PS1 game. Before that each poly had it's own normals, so everything looked blockier. Think Tekken 3 vs Tekken 2.

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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

In crt they look great though

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They looked better than in HD, but no one in their right mind thought that was peak performance. It was just better than anything we'd seen so far.

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[–] Lemmeenym@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago
[–] Uvine_Umbra@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I was little when the OG Ace Combat game came out on the PS1 right? Polygonal jet engines & everything lol

Until i was like 11, whenever i saw real pictures of actual aircraft that were in the game i thought they were fake because their engines weren't polygonal enough 🤣🤣🤣

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Graphics peaked with the original Lara Croft and her triangular bosom. It's been a steady decline since then trying to make things look round. Just accept the triangles.

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[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

My entire life when I heard someon say that it would get under my skin. The only ceiling has always been to make it so realistic, we can't tell the difference.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That screen shot is very generous to ps1 graphics

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That's because it's actually an N64 screenshot, which was more powerful than the PS1.

It's Castlevania 64.

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[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

At least the game is fun and functional, unlike buggy cash grab games nowadays

[–] comrade19@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For me it was the water in farcry 1

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