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[–] Lord_McAlister@lemmy.world 188 points 1 year ago (5 children)

At least france has the balls to pull this shit.

The US just saw their failing rail system cause a serious chemical spill, then when the rail workers unionized and asked for time off they got told by the president they have to keep working.

[–] SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Worse than that. Major public opinion was against the rail strikes because they didn't want to pay more at the supper market. Americans are just capitalist zombies doing whatever their corporate overlords tell them to do.

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (10 children)

American here. Yep. Most of us are clueless fucking morons who have been brainwashed into hating unions and the "laziness and entitlement" that comes with it. These dipshits will pay money for a sticker to put on their car to show that they support the class traitors that are the overly militarized police that constantly destroys our property and kills us. Most of us are indoctrinated, nationalist cowards who worship sociopathic oligarchs because they're "job creators". And anybody who doesn't chug the Kool Aid is called unamerican and becomes socially excommunicated. Being aware and intelligent and having basic critical thinking skills is too threatening to their fragile worldview to be permitted to have a seat at anybody's table. And I'm tired of being gentle about how stupidly dangerous or dangerously stupid their active efforts against knowledge, class consciousness, justice, and democracy are.

Last night, my wife and I tried to come up with a list of things to be proud of our country for. Ready? Because it took like an hour to come up with this.

  • Americans with Disabilities Act
  • no pay toilets
  • National and State Parks
  • pop culture as an export (music, movies, jeans)
  • military technology
[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hey you got NASA too, and you invented the internet!

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We're going back to the moon? Or trying at least. There's another one for ya.

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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

The French are absolutely fucking based with how they protest, my meme is a joke, not a serious dig at them

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What will the 2nd amendment fans have to say about this? How are citizens bearing arms preventing the government from becoming tyrannical and acting agasint the people will? Did arms prevent the government from the evil commie masks and vaccines?

[–] Lord_McAlister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No. And now many of the pro-gun absolutely no restrictions people are rolling out the red carpet for an active fascist.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except the railroad workers gained more time off and credited the Biden administration.
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid#:~:text=The%20IBEW%20and%20BNSF%20Railway,Norfolk%20Southern%20on%20March%2010. Lemme is just as bad as reddit for misinformation

[–] ssboomman@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (12 children)

None of what he said was misinformation. Fuck biden for making it illegal for them to strike.

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[–] droans@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

That's not true at all.

We've had way more than one serious chemical spill caused by the failing rail system.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If only we were as badass as French people when protesting for workers rights, most other places are full of entitled bootlicking pussies who make memes about people who actually get out there and fight for their rights.

stares at OP

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I respect the fucking shit out of the French willingness to strike, protest, and burn for their rights. I wish my country had a quarter of their fervor.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to tease them :)

[–] 7heo@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
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[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I think is interesting is that we usually have pretty good scores in term of productivity despite having a lot of holidays and strikes.

If anything it should be a testament to the idea that it's ok to be against "too much work". It's not being lazy, it's understanding that you work better when you are properly rested.

At least that's the way I see it. Don't work more, work better.

[–] Saneless@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

We work with a lot of teams from France and during July, guess what, nothing bad happens. Despite everyone acting like everyday is a crisis, it somehow is never a big deal

The bosses need to chill and realize people enjoying life doesn't mean everything else falls 8 months behind

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] JackLSauce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can we get more details on this?

I'd like to hear something more nuanced than the bumper sticker logic that seems to always float to the top of this community

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Liberal policies have done a lot of harm to the French system. We still have a lot of holidays, probably more than anywhere else (minimum 5 weeks, sometimes 6 or 7, and then, if you have more than 35h/week, you have even more, up to 11 days/year for 39h/week).

But healthcare and unemployment are being dismantled over the years.

Government is planning a law this autumn to force people to work to get the lowest unemployment income (what you get after 2 years of unemployment, or if you never worked). Unemployment became harder (you get less for less time).

Public healthcare is understaffed and underfunded. There are more and more wait before you can get an appointment and the quality is decreasing. You more and more need a complementary insurance to cover the full cost, because the public one covers only a part of the cost or not some specific cares.

Police is becoming litteraly fascist, asking for special laws applying to them. And the government consider giving it to them. They are asking for more weapons, and they are asking to clean the vermin from the cities (litteral words they use, I consider this sedition). Currently the government plays nice to the police because they're scared if what would happen if they didn't. Especially since they rely a lot on the police to shit down protests.

Protest are severly repressed by the police, and the right to protest is in actual danger because if the préfet (chief of police in a department, appointed by the government, representative of the government locally and responsible for the security of the department ; a department is a small administrative region) decides that your work is necessary, then you can be drafted to work. Public services are already unable to protest (in hospitals for example).

Information is very concentrated. TV channels are possessed by like 4 people, same for newspapers. And public ones are less and less independant.

This autumn will be very hot. Right now it's the holidays. In September both school and assembly will get back to work, and the government is planning to anger teachers, one of the most powerful union in the country, and several questionable security laws. Government has no legitimity but hide behind the discourse that "no one else has legitimity either".

I don't think we have it worse than in many places, but it's getting worse for us. Fighting in the beginning of this year didn't got us anything for retirement (now 65yo to get it).

[–] utopianrevolt@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it feels like the "promises" (read: lies) of neoliberalism have screwed over many first world nations.

a lot of what you excellently described is going on in the United States as well, for the most part.

many kudos to our French brothers and sisters and their massive protests. I'm not sure what needs to be done, but I hope that people around the world can take back what is rightfully theirs: equality, true freedom from oppressive, corrupt governments, and an honest living

[–] droans@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The whole time I read that, I just kept thinking "haha yeah imagine a country doing all that..."

The French do seem to take protesting to the extreme, but then again, it got them the benefits they currently enjoy.

[–] JackLSauce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like to pretend the police "shitting down protests" isn't a typo

Adds a weird, unnecessary twist to an already interesting, though highly disconcerting, read

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[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

France is far from a worker's paradise:

  • The last time a slightly leftist government was elected was in 1981, and they turned neoliberal in 1983. Since then, worker's right are fought by successive governments.
  • And successfully so: the last time a national worker's movement won anything was in 1995 (in 2006 there was a student's victory though).
  • Only 10% of the workers are in an Union, same as in the US.

However, it's not a hell neither:

  • French work 1511 hours by year, indeed under the OECD average (1751) or the Americans (1810) but higher than Germans (1340) who have the reputation to be workaholics.

The reputation is however not without basis:

  • French have the highest number of strike days by year for 1000 workers (114), far more than Americans (6). But iy should be noted that not everyone strikes in France, generally the civil servants or employees of State owned firms strike for the others. I did not found the exact number, but for private firms' employees, the number of strike days on average will be far lesser than 114 (but probably more that 6 ^^). And these hours are not paid, thus a lowering of quality of life.
[–] Sodis@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

The German numbers are low, because it is quite common to work only part-time, especially for women. Part-time workers are included in the statistics. Also it is questionable if overtime is counted correctly, because Germans probably do not report it.

[–] royalbarnacle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would add that France is the 7th largest economy in the world. Germany 5th. South Korea 13th.

Working time matters much less than the slave-driving CEOs or workaholics would have you believe. 1 week vs 6 weeks off a year is like a 10% difference. That's a pitiful variance compared to how much our productivity is affected by liking our job, being motivated, not being overworked, etc.

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[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

French: the gayest people according to Europeans, but also the brutalest and the hardcorest.

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[–] cooljacob204@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao people are taking this way too seriously.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love the French and how they respond to any infringement on their rights, that doesn't mean I'm not gonna make jokes XD

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

On another meme I saw the response (dont forget to do the french accent in your head)

typical anglo’s, as afraid of culture as they are of seasoning

I liked that

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh yeah? Do you get banned there for making fun of the mods?

[–] regalia 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Woah dude, dog walking is a legitimate career path!

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[–] Auster@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Never understood why repeating the last word from the top text at the bottom is done in some memes.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The world of post-ironic memes is indeed wild

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

That's how you form a sentence when you feel excited or suprised about something

[–] Jacobp100@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago
[–] Magister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah! Nancy is here, best city ever with the most beautiful place in the world!

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[–] original_ish_name@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well their army seems to be anti work

insert french surrender meme here

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