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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 141 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

A fallible state institution that has made many documented mistakes in the past is still given the power to murder prisoners who are in its custody and under its protection. It’s barbarous.

America is hellbent on the concept of punishing criminals over rehabilitation while also having an objectively unfair justice system. The cruelty is the point sometimes, and it’s very unfortunate that people still think this way.

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

The Lethal Injection idea was from interviewing a veterinarian who of course refused to implement it, as did every Medical Doctor in the USA because of fucking course nobody would touch breaking the oath in such a way with a ten foot pole. The result is a bunch of untrained amateurs carrying out the procedures and an extremely low success rate leading to unjust and unnecessary pain and trauma.

I imagine all the other methods they come up with to follow a similar series of events.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Thank you for stating the truth. I live in USA, and it hurts.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 77 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I dont support the death penalty in any way (well, maybe guillotine)

Its the vengeful right wing christofascists that love it. Unfortunately, they are overrepresented in our governments.

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[–] MdRuckus@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Just the pro life crowd being inhumane. Nothing to see here.

[–] testfactor@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

To be fair, insofar as execution methods go, nitrogen asphyxiation is far far far and away the most humane.

So, like, it is an improvement? It's less inhumane than they were being at any rate?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know if you can call any execution method even remotely humane.

Even if you know it isn't going to hurt, you still know you're going to die. There's no escaping that part.

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[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (21 children)

When it comes to mixed bag news this is as mixed as it gets. If we're gonna execute people, we can at least do it as humanely as possible.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Yup. Morality and efficacy of the death penalty left totally aside for the moment, I'm shocked it took this long to use nitrogen instead of the clusterfuck cocktail that's tortured so many people to death.

[–] KnowledgeableNip@leminal.space 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of my state senators introduced a bill that'd let inmates choose execution by a firing squad made up of members of the legislature. Like 'If you want to kill them so bad, you pull the damn trigger.'

Isn't going anywhere but I like the sentiment. Real Ned Stark energy.

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[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

There's an argument that if you make it less violent, then people will be more willing to accept execution as a valid punishment.

That ignores, of course, that execution favorability has been dropping for 100+ years despite the methods becoming (or at least attempting to become) more humane.

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[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Rev. Jeff Hood, Smith's spiritual adviser, was at Smith's side for the execution, and said prison officials in the room "were visibly surprised at how bad this thing went." "What we saw was minutes of someone struggling for their life," Hood, attending his fifth execution in the last 15 months, told reporters. "We saw minutes of someone heaving back and forth. We saw spit. We saw all sorts of stuff from his mouth develop on the mask. We saw this mask tied to the gurney, and him ripping his head forward over and over and over again."

All our technological advances as a society and this is the best we can do?

[–] homura1650@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

Everyone who would actually know what they are doing in executions (doctors, pharmaceutical companies, veteranarians) have looked at it and said "this is barbaric in concept, no matter how humanely you do it, we will have no part in it". What you are left with is people without the relevent expertise, who do not have a problem with the barbarism, figuring out how to do it.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

State sanctioned murder with torture included for free. They did it the conservative Christian way...

[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I also read that they starved him first so he won't choke on the food if he vomits it out.

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[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

In November 2022, Alabama officials aborted his execution by lethal injection after struggling for hours to insert an intravenous line's needle in his body.

In Smith's second and final trip to the execution chamber on Thursday, executioners restrained him in a gurney and strapped a commercial industrial-safety respirator mask to his face. A canister of pure nitrogen was attached to the mask

This doesn't sound very professional!?

[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Professionals won't participate because that'd break their hippocratic oath. That just leaves schmucks like me and you to try to figure it out.

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[–] NESSI3@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

so cheap

"We're giving out longer prison sentences and cutting taxes and budgets, make it work." - Red state legislatures every two years

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

why can't they just give them an insane amount of opiates rather than all this odd shit

(if we have to kill people, which we shouldn't)

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[–] JSocial@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

32 minutes. Huh.

[–] shirro@aussie.zone 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Civilized countries don't execute criminals and somehow don't experience more criminality or unacceptably high incarceration costs as a result. Capital punishment is an outdated cultural practice like slavery, genital mutilation or child brides and has nothing to do with the administration of justice. It is cultural and nothing else. They like the killing. They believe in the killing. It has no other purpose.

I don't know why much of the discussion is about the method of execution. Would it matter how they were fucking kids or beating slaves in Alabama or that they were doing those things at all? State executions are barbaric and indefensible in any form.

[–] mflash@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Richest 3rd world country

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, a gas chamber? Back to 1938, are we?

[–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

The method itself is not problematic.

[–] shadeless@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'd argue any method of killing a living being against their will is problematic...

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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don’t see why they do any method other than a bullet or the lance gun thing they use to kill cows/sheep/etc by launching a spike into the brain. Surely that’s the quickest and painless method right?

[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People have been known to survive bullets to the brain. I'm unsure of how big the lance is, but it may be survivable as well. There's the famous story of Phineas Gage surviving having a large iron rod accidentally driven through his skull, for example.

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Archive link because there is a non skippable ad block blocker.

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