Nintendo fans are so weirdly protective of nintendo. Like... there have been death threats from pokemon fans over palworld and it just baffles me that someone would waste their life defending the honor of a multibillion dollar gaming company like that. Nintendo fans I say this with the utmost respect: Go the fuck outside.

[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 96 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Had a friend unironically trying to convince me that Palworld is evil because it brainwashes people into liking human enslavement and shooting at civilians.

His favourite game is Pokémon, a game where you bond with your fire lizard by pitting it against other animals in a government-sanctioned tournament.

Of course he's also one of those people who spends hours lamenting the state of current Pokémon games, while also buying both versions of each game at day 1.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pokemon is famous for being the first game to employ child psychologists in its development Team, to analyse what young boys like the most, and to feed that to them.

Your friend, is playing, due to corporate manipulation, when they were young, which triggered all the things in them, they wanted to trigger.

Dark, but true. I'll try and find a source on this later, when I have some time.

[–] BlindFrog@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Ah, yes, when a man takes inspiration from insect-collecting in his childhood, he becomes the world's first child psychologist in directing and developing video games

Edit to clarify: you kept making downvoted assumptions in this thread about an existing source on Pokemon creators having targeted the young boys audience. It's only natural to think you could be misremembering all the articles that came out about Satoshi Tajiri's inspiration for the OG games coming from bug collecting as a young boy.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

You linked to the director, not the psychologists they onboarded for the project.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

it brainwashes people into liking human enslavement and shooting at civilians.

Neither of those things are actually encouraged by the game. Attacking civilians causes guards to come after you, and nothing in the UI indicates you can capture humans (you don't get a catch % when holding a ball and targeting them like you do with monsters). It's only when you do throw a ball at them that you find out it is possible, but the catch rate sucks and they're not worth using.

Meanwhile it's made abundantly clear that Pokemon are sentient, so the brainwashing and dogfighting rings aren't any more ethical if you want to argue that way.

Alternately, it's a game. I'm against war but I play plenty of war games.

[–] LadyLikesSpiders@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

I legitimately know someone who speaks about Nintendo religiously. Like, he says "Miyamoto almighty" and I reeeeaaaaally wanna believe he's doing it ironically, but I don't know if even he recognizes it as ironic now. He is defensive of every of nintendo's actions, all of them, justifying everything they've done while condemning other companies for doing the same. It looks like nationalism applied to a specific corporation

Like, I'm a big nintendo fan, but I cannot fathom the zealotry that I have personally witnessed coming from this person

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

It's jarring to see people are taking such pains over what's at worst a knockoff. Have they never played with knockoff toys?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 9 months ago

Nintendo doesn't even make particularly good Pokémon games anymore so it's extra weird that somebody would defend them.

My friend made a Pokémon game in high school and it was better than anything that was available at the time from Nintendo. Mostly because the game was actually balanced and you didn't necessarily win every match.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

There was someone the other day going on about how violent Palworld is and you have to be a psychopath to enjoy that, so they're just going to stick to Counterstrike instead.

I have no words.

[–] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

As a Nintendo fan personally I completely agree Who ever says Nintendo is perfect is so wrong

They are so close yet they countine to do stupid things that make zero sense

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago

If only they put the same effort into the most recent Pokemon games that they do into making sure nobody else makes a better version.

[–] Ashtear@lemm.ee 57 points 9 months ago

"We know, stop writing us."

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 50 points 9 months ago (15 children)

Is nobody aware of Cassette Beasts? This isn't the first Pokémon clone that has been made. As long as you don't use Nintendo's IP, they can't go after you.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The idea of a Pokémon clone isn't protectable, but existing Pokémon are.

You can make a Pokémon clone with entirely novel monsters, but if a judge thinks they look too much like an existing Pokémon they're gonna have a problem.

[–] Grangle1@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's really the issue. The creatures in the game, as I've seen pointed out in various places, are much closer in design to actual pokemon designs than in other poke-clone games, with some looking so close they might as well just be a regional form. I don't even know any of the pals' names but I can somewhat clearly recall seeing one that's basically "Luxray at home". I know the maker of the game has said he doesn't really value originality, but there's a difference between being unoriginal and straight-up plagiarism.

[–] H_Interlinked@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I see it. "Electabuzz at home" wielding a mini-gun is all over the marketing I've seen.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They're similar because they're based on the same real-world animals. And they're no more similar to Pokemon than the examples of Pokemon ripping off designs from Dragon Quest

[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's very much not just "same animals" but parts of Pals looking like they were traced or at least copied visually from existing Pokemon, as well many Pals directly copying color schemes from similar Pokemon.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've played a fair number of pokemon games. There are a lot of Pals that I thought I recognized as pokemon.

[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

To be fair, I don't think there's anything wrong with using Pokemon as inspiration, and even when not the fact that Pokemon is so ubiquitous means that comparisons will be drawn regardless. But there's definitely more than a few Pals that seem to cross from inspiration to a suspicious amount of copying, and it's more about wanting to support artistic integrity than it is about Pokemon specifically.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Digimon? Digital monsters? Digimon are the chunkins?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Monster Rancher. Great little gem on the PS1

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Cassette Beasts is such a good little gem. Concept, Art, everything is excellent, too bad it is so... small. Sure, it is priced accordingly, but I want more of it!

[–] Duenan@aussie.zone 1 points 9 months ago

The music as well is so good on Cassette Beats.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Cassete beasts is awesome.

Abd let's nit forget corromon, lunar island, yokai watch.

[–] captain_oni@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

And Temtem... Anyone remember Temtem?

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I loved that game and thought about this a lot. I would argue Pokémon itself is just a Final Fantasy clone with the selectable party coming from the bestiary

load more comments (10 replies)

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 44 points 9 months ago

We will continue to cherish and nurture each and every Pokémon and its world

"Anyway, here's another broken, lackluster game and the new Pokemon are a pile of garbage and a ring of keys."

[–] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I don't see Nintendo/Game Freak doing something about Palword. Due to Palworld's first trailer release two years ago. So if Nintendo/Game Freak was going to do something about Palworld. They had two years to do it.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

In another hand, now that Palworld is successful, they sit on quite a lot of cash. And success make some unscrupulous people quite envious, and prone to sue.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Inquiries Regarding Other Companies’ Games

We have received many inquiries regarding another company’s game released in January 2024. We have not granted any permission for the use of Pokémon intellectual property or assets in that game. We intend to investigate and take appropriate measures to address any acts that infringe on intellectual property rights related to the Pokémon. We will continue to cherish and nurture each and every Pokémon and its world, and work to bring the world together through Pokémon in the future.

The Pokémon Company

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

IMO there isn't anything.

If there was, then over the three years of development of Palworld, Nintendo would have lawyered up at some point. It's a Japanese company, so it'd be a local lawsuit even. We already know Nintendo isn't afraid of lawyering up, the Palworld Pokemon mod existed for like... 8 hours before getting DMCA'd the other day.

[–] EarMaster@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

The statement says exactly that in my interpretation. "We have received a lot of emails telling us to look into this game. We know how to protect our brand. If there was any reason for us to intervene we would already have done it. Stop sending us reports."

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I believe Pokémon and Pokemon-like games should coexist. They will naturally compete on one another, and each game will serve a separate audience.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago

Palworld isn't even that Pokemon-like, aside from some of the Pal's models, and type strengths/weaknesses. But that's basically where the similarities end. Palworld is an open world survival/crafting/base building game. Even the whole collecting monsters thing feeds directly into the base building aspect.

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 7 points 9 months ago

Maybe it's the Communist in me, but I don't get why some people are so eager for Nintendo to file a lawsuit. Nevermind whether it actually infringes anything, it isn't eating away at Pokemon's sales or anything. It plays very different, a little closer to Arceus than any traditional Pokemon game. I see it as a win. Maybe it will encourage Nintendo to take Pokemon in a more open world direction with more features.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

They could develop different features to succeed in separate environments, over time filling different niches, until eventually they are unrecognisable as coming from the same source.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

What this is really saying is "you people are insane, please stop writing us about it, we're aware, and fine, we're "looking into it" even though we were aware of this for a few years now and already checked with legal that there's nothing we can do unless the creators really messed up in some way."

[–] blackfire@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

They def have available action against the Pokemon mod thats out there but the general premise of the game i doubt they will gen very far.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Get fucked Nintendo. Get gapped actually.

25 fucking years to have done anything with your fucking series. 25 years.

[–] avater@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

their homepage looks like shit.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

From what I hear, that's par for the course with most Japan-focussed websites

load more comments