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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

King was murdered by that system at least partially for those beliefs.

And that was before the Reagan giveaway, the conversion of the Corporate party's former opposition party's conversion into bribe taking neoliberals, and the icing on the cake of hopelessness, Citizens United which effectively made political bribery legal. The power King was speaking against has gotten much more powerful since that power ended his life.

This system needs to be destroyed and a new one rebuilt in its place. We can suffer the pain of that, or the generationial pain of subsistence until inevitable collapse under the weight of our own market capitalist con game having nowhere left to metastasize. Pain either way, but I'm guessing we'll keep passing the buck because that's the path of least resistance.

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, they threatened and harassed Dr. King, but no one was taking a shot at him while he campaigned for civil rights. Once he started the Poor People's Campaign and sought to unite all races against economic injustice, they killed him for it. That, and his outspoken opposition to the Vietnam War.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://www.staugustine.com/story/news/2016/01/18/archive-story-attempt-kill-martin-luther-king-st-augustine/16320505007/

Try not to belittle and ignore the hatred and violence the Civil Rights leaders faced simply for asking for equal treatment in your eager rush to claim victim status or whatever dumbassery made you think no one wanted to kill MLK purely on racial grounds.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This system needs to be destroyed and a new one rebuilt in its place. We can suffer the pain of that, or the generationial pain of subsistence until inevitable collapse under the weight of its own market capitalist con game. Pain either way, but I'm guessing we'll keep passing the buck because that's the path of least resistance.

Well said.

[–] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." -TJ

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I must sound like a broken record to you, my friend 🤣

It just helps me feel sane to lay out the same truths in the face of mass indolence.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Your original response was very aptly worded.

It’s still mind blowing that there are people, even here on Lemmy, still defending this broken system like corporate lap dogs.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

“Mass Indolence” would make a great band game.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

We can't suffer the pain of going full no-confidence and refusing to vote.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TIL that an uncomfortably large number of people on Lemmy don't know what the fuck a Tankie is, but think they do.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People on Lemmy call people opposing war and the military industrial complex Tankies.

It can be uncanny the gambit the term runs here.

[–] Jank 4 points 1 year ago

Gotta imagine there's a lot going on to poison the well. Doesn't take much to cause in fighting around these parts.

[–] endhits@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Tankie is almost always "socialist I don't like" or even "anyone to the left of Mussolini".

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Poor MLK can't catch a break. Labelled a commie agitator for advocating black rights and saying things like "capitalism has outlived its usefulness", gets murdered for it, now liberals pretend that never happened try to paint him as their guy all along

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

MLK was a commie ;)

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Capital has the ability to subsume all criticism of itself.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

As did absolute monarchies....

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I still don't get what tankie means...

Edit: None of those comments helped. Especially the guy who unironically used the word "centrist".

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

although the term has seen increasing use by liberals and right‐wing factions as well. Source.

[–] Lesrid@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The historic use of the word was to distinguish leftists who supported the Soviet Unions use of tanks to suppress a revolt in Budapest in 1956 from communists.

EDIT: Now it more generally refers to anyone who believes in Actually Existing Socialism, or AES, and by extension denies the categorization of State Capitalism, the predominant mode of production in the world today where governments employ the majority of workers.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't it generally just all sort of authoritarian socialists or communists

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a communist, but not a tankie because I use the dictionary definition of communism rather than pretending autocratic state capitalism is somehow communism.

Edit: Tankies getting triggered by the dictionary - you funny fascistic fucks, you.

[–] Lesrid@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's how I've seen it used

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's how it should be used but it's thrown around for basically anything. I got called a tankie for talking shit about the American military, never mentioned anything else. A few months ago, it really felt like Red Scare 2.0 on here.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's often now used for those socialists/communists who support China and especially Russia

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's what I'm saying, it isn't. It's used willy nilly in debates, regardless of the other users political allegiance. OP of this post got called a tankie two days ago lol.

What it means and what it's actually being used for are two different things.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I think we've had different experiences on how we've seen it used. Almost always I've seen it it has been used by a leftist towards some other leftist (well socialist, communist) who was supporting China, Russia, Iran, maybe Houthis nowadays and so on.

[–] s_s@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

Top left of political compass.

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[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Real (adjusted for inflation) Household Median Income is up over 3x since this quote by MLK.

Even todays poor are extremely wealthy compared to the poor when this quote occurred.