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During his term in the White House, Donald Trump governed as a wartime president—with blue America, rather than any foreign country, as the adversary. He sought to use national authority to achieve factional ends—to impose the priorities of red America onto Democratic-leaning states and cities. The agenda Trump has laid out for a second term makes clear that those bruising and divisive efforts were only preliminary skirmishes.

Presidents always pursue policies that reflect the priorities of the voters and regions that supported them. But Trump moved in especially aggressive ways to exert control over, or punish, the jurisdictions that resisted him. His 2017 tax bill, otherwise a windfall for taxpayers in the upper brackets, capped the federal deductibility of state and local taxes, a costly shift for wealthy residents of liberal states such as New York and California. He moved, with mixed success, to deny federal law-enforcement grants to so-called sanctuary cities that didn’t fully cooperate with federal immigration agents. He attempted to strip California of the authority it has wielded since the early 1970s to set its own, more stringent pollution standards.

In Trump’s final year in office, he opened a new, more ominous front in his campaign to assert control over blue jurisdictions. As the nation faced the twin shocks of the coronavirus pandemic and the protests that followed the murder of George Floyd, Trump repeatedly dispatched federal law-enforcement agents to blue cities, usually over the opposition of Democratic mayors, governors, or both. Trump sent an array of federal personnel to Portland, Oregon, ostensibly to protect a federal courthouse amid the city’s chaotic protests; reports soon emerged of camouflage-clad federal agents without any identifying insignia forcing protesters into unmarked vans. Trump responded to the huge racial-justice protests in Washington, D.C., by dispatching National Guard troops drawn from 11 states, almost all of them led by Republican governors. Later he sent other federal law-enforcement officers to combat rising crime in Kansas City and Chicago, a city Trump described as “worse than Afghanistan.”

Trump has signaled that in a second presidential term, he would further escalate his war on blue America. He’s again promising federal legislation that would impose policies popular in red states onto the blue states that have rejected them. He has pledged to withhold federal funding from schools teaching critical race theory and “gender ideology.” He says he will initiate federal civil-rights investigations into liberal big-city prosecutors (whom he calls “Marxist local District Attorneys”) and require cities to adopt policing policies favored by conservatives, such as stop-and-frisk, as a condition for receiving federal grants.

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[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He punished blue cities and states in his first term too.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

they literally delayed, and sabotaged, covid responses because at the time it was "only hurting blue states" \

There was over 100 million covid cases in America, leading to over a million deaths.

And thats all on trump, his crew, not caring to act until red states started getting hit, and even then it was half hearted and laden with disinformation (anyone remember injecting bleach?)

If he had just responded immediately and urgently he would have been a shoe-in for a second term, and would have gotten all the praise he would have ever wanted.

but he had to take the evil option instead, because Trump and his cohorts in the republican party will always take the low road and crawl through the shit.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

The bleach/UV thing wasn't purposeful misinformation. It was so much dumber.

You probably can't find the full video, but as Trump is walking to the podium, he stops to examine a poster-sized infographic from the CDC. An infographic about sterilizing surfaces. He then takes the stage and starts spewing bullshit.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any other president would've leapt at the chance to unify the country behind their response to a crisis like COVID, more or less guaranteeing a second term and a legacy as the president that "beat" COVID. But trump only knows how to sow discord, so of course all he did was politicize it and further divide the country*. They turned masks of all things into a political issue.

I'll always remember his response at a press conference to a question that was essentially "What comfort can you give to scared and suffering Americans?" and instead of, you know, assuring them that "we'll get through this together" like any rational politician would do with a softball question like that, trump of course lashed out and accused the reporter of being against him or something for daring to suggest everything wasn't absolutely perfect I guess. It was fucking bizarre.

*I will give him the barest hint of credit with how he didn't outright sabotage the vaccine development or distribution, but that was frankly because he saw personal glory in it for himself. Once that was politicized too, he fed the anti-vaccine crazies everything they wanted to hear (while quietly getting the vaccine himself, of course).

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Yep.

Trump's ego is his own worst enemy.

Course we knew that when he purposefully bankrupted a casino cause he couldnt handle his wife doing a better job running it.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

At first they thought it was going to kill more Blah people. These ghouls were positively ecstatic over the idea.

Turns out, it was more a self-own, as more teabaggers ended up dying as a percentage...also, if the Orange Dotard actually did the right thing on covid, he might have actually won the election. So he's a dumbass 2x over, at least.

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[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Second Term"

As if, if trump gets reelected, there will ever be another real election.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 16 points 11 months ago

Final Term, more like.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Do you want a civil war? Cause that's how you get a civil war.

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 25 points 11 months ago

I think that's exactly what the Republicans want.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Yes. They routinely taunt the left about not having guns. They think if they start a civil war the left will be defenseless. That would also give them cover to enact a Constitutional Convention, something they've been wargaming for decades.

[–] 000@fuck.markets 4 points 11 months ago

It is indeed what they want.

[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Aren’t most blue states net contributors to the federal government?

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Yes, generally blue states contribute more in taxes than they receive in federal spending and generally red states receive more in federal spending than they pay in taxes. Although there are exceptions, such as Texas (net contibutor) and New Mexico (net recipient).

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Oh come on, it's not like he tried to engage in mass murder by neglect during COVID or sent DOJ strike teams into blue cities to illegally fight protestors.

Oh wait, he did both of those things.

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[–] n0m4n@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I still remember that happening when the pandemic first was ramping up. Blue states purchased masks for essential personnel, while Trump sent people to confiscate the supplies to give to Red states donors for resale. Shipments had to be masked for supplies to get to hospitals in the wrong states. Republicans are doubling down on the war on blue.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is why I stress that NO Republican should be permitted into office. This is the kind of lunacy they get up to when they have power. And so, they should never be given any power at all.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Haha shitttt I forgot about this! The mask shipment confiscations

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This kind of thing would be non-stop Viagra for the magabrained teabaggers. They love the idea of hurting people that are not themselves.

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let's be honest here. Trump would hurt the red states too. But largely in lip service of hurting the blue states. Which his mouth breathers would be okay with.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

The saying "they would eat shit if a Democrat had to smell it" was around for a bit before COVID, but then they literally started drinking urine instead of just getting a damn vaccine. They're so crazy it's beyond parody.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

A fucking psychopath with millions of brainwashed following his cult. I hope he rots in jail.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Entertaining an egg dictator for all these years is exhausting. If they want a civil war so bad they can have it. My entire lifetime corporations and politicians have only grown in extreme wealth and power and the people have only lost. Take your cities back from the invisible masters of corporate America. Free the world.

[–] rabiddolphin@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

The media can't wait for a second Trump term

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago
[–] Rooter@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No? It will be civil war, guaranteed.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

God I hope not. We aren't going to recover if it is. We will be separated into many smaller countries and call it a day.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It’s probably be for the best. Given enough time, the red state will all collapse like a dying star into a thick nebula of their own ignorance and then they’ll just be absorbed back to normal by the blue states.

Stupidity can’t live very long without support.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's cool I guess... meanwhile EU and China will eat our lunch.

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[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

That would still be a very painful and messy process for pretty much everybody. But I still feel like we may be headed there nonetheless…

[–] Rooter@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Doubt that, most civil wars don't end in a split.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Trump would for sure.

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