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[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago

He’s told his followers that “cash is trash” and that he doesn’t trust the U.S. dollar, calling it “fake.” Instead, he’s recommended investing in assets like precious metals, bitcoin or Wagyu cattle

Hah

Maybe he's just doing research for his hit sequel: "Rich dad, 1 billion dollar in debt dad"

[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Honestly if you're a billion in debt, you're fucking baller mate

[–] IHawkMike@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago

If you owe the bank $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem.

-- J. Paul Getty

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

I couldn’t go that hard if I tried.

[–] kibiz0r@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If Books Could Kill had a brutal episode on this chucklehead: https://podtail.com/en/podcast/if-books-could-kill/rich-dad-poor-dad/

All he knows how to do is pedal-to-the-metal on scams. It’ll catch up with him eventually, but too late for all the people he’s hurt along the way.

[–] Junkernaught@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago

Great to see some love for If Books Could Kill!

Just wish they could pump out a bit more content :P

[–] eulheim@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago

Just finished listening to the podcast! Many thanks for the recommendation!!!

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sounds like president material to me

[–] Tja@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago

It makes him smart

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

"the greatest president in American history, no president has been greater than him"

[–] BetaSalmon@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Every clip I ever seen about him just made me think he’s a fraud who’s good at talking. He’ll say things in a certain way to make it sound interesting, but really he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[–] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

So does that make him rich or poor?

[–] Sharpiemarker@startrek.website 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He's so poor that he's rich again.

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 2 points 10 months ago

Underflow Error

[–] CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago
[–] TheTopPirate@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Really rich

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

So the title was more autobiographical than we knew- he gets rich and then becomes poor.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So.. is he the rich dad or the poor one?

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 9 points 10 months ago

Both, the title of his book is his situation, first he's rich dad, then he become poor dad.

[–] custard_swollower@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

I've read his book a few years ago, and he was pretty bullish on risky investments, so...

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if he has assets the bank could seize? If they gave him loans without collateral, then they are idiots.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

banks don't offer a billion in loans without collateral.

even with the NY trump fraud case... the core of the problem is that his collateral was over valued and inflated. there are definitely assets the bank will be seizing. they may or may not be way over inflated because this dude is a grifter, but details.

[–] andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

He blatantly said in an interview, proud at that too, that he doesn't pay tax and everyone should avoid paying too.

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Yeehaww it's bankruptcy court for me!

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Kiyosaki’s investment strategy is multifaceted. He is known for his stance against fiat money, labeling it in derogatory terms and instead advocating for investment in what he calls “real assets” like Bitcoin, silver, gold and Wagyu cattle​​. Bitcoin, in particular, is a favorite of his, perceived as a hedge against the deteriorating value of the U.S. dollar​​. Kiyosaki views gold, another key component of his portfolio, as more stable and reliable than cash, which he calls “trash" because he just doesn't "trust the frickin' dollar." He has expressed a willingness to increase his gold holdings even if prices drop significantly​​

Via https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rich-dad-poor-dads-robert-193714809.html

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

what's hilarious, is that BTC is only worth something because people pay fiat for it.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Everything is only worth something because people pay fiat for it. But the value of many things increases over time, whereas fiat decreases. This isn't revolutionary stuff, this is basic rich people economics. Assets grow, cash shrinks.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

You have the cart before the horse. Anything of value can be traded in fiat, not the other way around.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

lol.

So when the banks collapse and hyperinflation sets in, cash is useless and you’re needing to eat… you’re saying that food has no value in of itself? It’s only value is that you pay fiat for it?

Can’t eat bitcoin. Can’t process it into raw materials. Can’t make tools out of it, or clothing, or entertainment devices….can’t burn it for heat (which… when dystopia hits… officially makes it worth less than bullshit,)

Sure some places you can use btc to buy stuff, but ultimately, that’s just fiat with more steps and more fees.

Bitcoins sole value is derived from how much people are willing to pay for it. The demand goes away, it loses value. when people are trading favors for food, demand will go away.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not really considering an apocalyptic scenario where everything not used for survival uses value. I'm obviously speaking in the context of economic value in today's world... Sure, food retains it's value in a life or death situation better than other things, but it's a pretty obviously bad investment from an economic perspective. Unless you think the apocalypse is tomorrow... But then perhaps your money would be better spent trying to prevent that apocalypse?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Well? Maybe not tomorrow… good news always comes out on Mondays….

(/s. But you do have to admit the world has gotten increasingly volatile.)

BTC is a poor currency, and it’s merely a store of value. It’s like a different kind of FOREX, more than anything else. It’s price compared to fiat is only set by what people are willing to pay fiat for it.

Sure, you can mine crypto all you want, but it has no value until it’s sold. Until it’s sold, it just represents wasted energy.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

People have bought goods like pizza with BTC before. Not to mention so many drugs (but a lot less drugs than bought with $)

So this isn't really true, it's more true that USD is only worth something because people trust the US government not to fail tomorrow.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

and how did they get BTC?

Either mining it by burning electricity running through GPUs or buying it with fiat on-ramps.

Its value is determined solely by what people are willing to pay- in fiat or some other crypto for it. But even then, that other crypto’s value isn’t directly compared to btc… that other crypto’s dollar value is matched to BTC’s dollar value. and that other crypto’s value is again established by what people are willing to pay fiat for it.

Further? The dollar’s real value in what it can buy. BTC’s gas fees together with its valuation relative to fiat ensure that its purchasing power will never exceed that of fiat.

no vendor is currently selling goods for btc (that I know of), merely integrating a btc off-ramp into the POS. (Maybe the vendors in El Salvador. But they don’t really have a choice and last I heard are unhappy with it’s volatility which is why vendors that do have a choice … don’t.)

The point I was making is that btc is merely a store of value, it’s basically identical to fiat in that respect. It has no inherent value on its own, in the same way that a loaf of bread is valued for being food; or steel is valued because it can be made into wrenches and nuts and bolts;

BTC’s sole function is being a faux-currency and a store of value,

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

How did they live? Buying food with fiat, checkmate buttcoiners

Value of anything is determined by what someone is willing to pay. But you are wrong about the value of other crypto, it's traded by bots against Bitcoin, so when Bitcoin goes up it affects all the other crypto because they have a much closer correlation to BTC than to the dollar.

I agree that BTC is a fiat currency. The point is over a longer time frame it will store more value if there are more services like the lightning network that rely on eventually doing transactions on the main net.

[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

That's all ridiculous but if the price of gold tanks that's kind of the right time to buy it if you have the opportunity.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yet the dollar is strong...

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I lost 25% of the value of my cash in just a few years, it's only strong in relation to the yuan, euro and pound

It's weak in relation to gold and stock shares

[–] pozbo@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

So he finally chose one, huh? Why did he pick poor dad though?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does any one know what the book says?

[–] silverbax@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Yes, it says, 'don't buy depreciating assets' and 'buy things that appreciate in value, opposed to blowing all your money on consumer items.'

If that sounds like advice you've heard before from many other places, it's because it's not new, it was just wrapped in a good title. It's astonishing how much a book with a good title can sell if it lands just right.