They are really good at providing examples for why civilized society needs socialism.
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My list of things I like about liberalism:
- It isn't quite as bad as conservatism.
That's it. That's the list.
And following are my lists of things I like about conservatism and capitalism respectively:
This is written like a desperate list maker from Breitbart needs to make a deadline.
Why not just admit you vote right, hate a subset of people, and want to believe that you are the only person who can be trusted to break the rules?
I, weakly, believe capitalism for all its ills is still the best way to run our economies. With serious regulations and a social safety net to make life better for the have-nots. This arguably works "okay" in most places.
Mostly I have yet to see evidence or compelling arguments that other schemes can work well in our time. Go back 500 years, sure, pre-industrial economies worked fine without capitalism. Go forward 500 years, Star Trek, maybe? But not right now.
Yeah I agree. I think the laws of supply and demand, when heavily regulated by a government that actually gives a shit about its people, is way more effective than any other way of running an economy.
I think it was good to get our country to it's most prosperous point, but there are obviously some huge flaws now causing a smaller middle class. It seems that a form of evolution is needed, and we are at a point where some change is needed, but capitalism was great at creating a large middle class before digressing from that.
Yep. I am not an economist, but I do read a lot of history and it seems to me Keynesianism worked quite well for most people at the time (1940s-1970s), and perhaps going back to it would help the middle class. Neoliberalism/Austrian-school/individualism have caused monumental inequalities since the 1970s. Sure, GDP growth has been spectacular (number goes up), but most people have not benefited. I don't think this is a flaw of capitalism per-se.
Still, I also hope something better comes along and we won't have to live under some future dystopian corporatocracy... Weyland-Yutani appreciates you
Can't say much about liberalism or capitalism, but classic Conservatism's emphasis on environmental conservation has always been something I appreciate. It goes to show how far the quote-unquote "G"OP has strayed from its party's original beliefs.
I like that they appear to be dying out. I just hope we outlast them.
Three flavors of dogshit
We think that markets are by far the best way of organising most human affairs that involve scarce resources, because they align people’s incentives in ways that communicate where resources can be be used most efficiently, and give people reasons to come up with new ways of using existing resources.
A system is justified if it is the one that best allows people to live the lives that they want to live, or makes them happiest or more satisfied than any other.
From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
liberalism
n 1: a political orientation that favors social progress by
reform and by changing laws rather than by revolution
2: an economic theory advocating free competition and a self-
regulating market
Seems like the first definition is conservative-left. The second definition sounds like capitalism. Honest question here, but what am I missing?
Does conservatism mean "preserve the way things are"? Things are bad. Things are really bad for a lot of people. Trying to preserve things in such a state is difficult to justify.
Is it "outgroups to bind, in groups to defend"? Well that's obviously a bad framework.
Not one blessed thing. Conservatives are psychotic morons, liberals are boot lickers, and capitalism is destroying the world.
Liberalism: Human flourishing, the expansion of scientific knowledge, recognition of human rights
Capitalism: More resilient to corruption than planned economies
Conservatism: Prevents backsliding and cultural loss, encourages social stability
Cultural loss is thinly veiled white supremacy.
Sometimes it is, yes. It's no secret that white supremacists, whatever their stances on political or economic issues, will hide their social views behind the label of conservatism. Thankfully, society has started to move past them, and they can rightfully be decried as regressive.