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[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 263 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Maybe because it’s the only way many without generational wealth can afford to live.

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[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 201 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Honestly at this point there are only a handful of headlines that cover about 90% of news stories:
-Young people 'choose' lifestyle choice that was forced upon them by external conditions.
-Young people are 'killing industry' that they are not paid enough to even dream of participating in.
-Rich person/people found guilty of or admitted to enormous crime will go unpunished.
-Someones totally unqualified opinion on a subject that we're reporting as news because they're rich.
-World ending, shareholders rejoice.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Rich people doing stupid things with money because they aren’t being taxed like they should so that the economy actually can survive.

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[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 159 points 10 months ago (1 children)

By choosing, I think we mean that it's not an affordable luxury to do otherwise

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

oh trust me, the right wing would LOVE to take your ability to choose to procreate out of your hands completely. Abortion for sure, but also the the night after pill and even birth control. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/04/birth-control-is-next-republicans-abortion.html

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 115 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Choosing or forced to choose?

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 93 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Choosing to not have children is becoming more and more accepted among younger people for a long variety of reasons, among them being climate and economy as well as "not going to ruin my body" and "well i just dont like children"

[–] JDubbleu@programming.dev 51 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You pretty much nailed the entire reason for most of my friends and myself (mid to late 20s). We can all afford kids, but it's just not something anyone desires except for one or two people in our group of 14.

Most of us don't even dislike kids, but the thought of having our own is undesirable.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I struggle to understand how people can get over how terrifying and unpleasant having children is. Kids can be okay, except when they aren't, and that's often.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (12 children)

That is simply not true. Kids can teach you many things about yourself that you never knew you cared about. They open a part of this life you would never see otherwise. They are this thing that loves you no matter what and if you are a good parent you do not take that for granted and give it all you got.

I didn't want any for many years for all the same reasons as many here. And it changed. And it's great, for me. But if you choose not to or have doubts, don't. It's horrible for the kid.

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[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 109 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 85 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
  • low wages
  • no unions
  • housing is either a lifetime's savings for down payment on mortgage or a never ending escalator of rent fees
  • states taking reproductive rights away
  • states threatening contraception
  • climate change dooming the future
  • war - war in ukraine, war in palestine, war in africa, civil war being threatened by the chud down the street

Gee Mr Wizard, why don't millennials want babies instead of avocado toast?

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 93 points 10 months ago (6 children)

they arent choosing it.

They are being forced into it because its the only fucking way to have a chance at NOT being homeless and crippled.

[–] TK420@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

Oh no, make no mistake, I chose it.

However, even if I wanted them, how the fuck does one even afford them?

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 81 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Less of a choice and more of a survival tactic. Plus, my foregone children would thank me.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 72 points 10 months ago (3 children)

No one should have a child unless they are willing to commit themselves to that child 100%. I have a daughter. She's the most wonderful thing that ever happened to me. And if anyone willingly took substantially less effort than I've taken to try to raise her in a safe, healthy environment and prepare her for her future as best I can- fuck you, you should have worn a fucking condom.

No child deserves to be neglected.

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 65 points 10 months ago

What choice do they have if kids are basically unaffordable?

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 65 points 10 months ago (14 children)

My wife finally are in a point where we can afford to have children, but we are kinda getting a bit old to have children. So we are also choosing the dual income no children life style,

But a big part of that is our age and how long it took to get to a comfortable place financially.

Now we want to focus on saving for a house and retirement.

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[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I make ~$200K a year. As a father of 5, I wish I had not had a single one. I love them, but the stress of taking care of them coupled with the future of the planet makes me regret life choices.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 56 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I find it interesting that you cite the stress of raising them as a factor in your regret. Could you not tell that was going to be an issue around the time number three came around? That's not intended to be accusatory btw. I'm genuinely curious.

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 90 points 10 months ago (4 children)

You incorrectly assume I'm intelligent.

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago (2 children)

“When we advise clients about having children, we honestly don’t even give them the full real details and the real numbers,” said Shannon McLay, founder of The Financial Gym. “It’s one of those things if you see the math of it all, it might make you decide to not have children.”

what a whole generation of pulling the ladder up behind you will do to a society. Party of family values doing everything they possibly can to destroy familes.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

In other words, "we trick our clients who paid us for financial advice into having children they can't afford".

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[–] AwkwardTurtle@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago (15 children)

Because we can't afford our own lives, how are we supposed to support children? Not even taking into account for how absolutely fucked we all are. Our planet is dying, how can we bring children into this world if it's all falling apart?

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[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 58 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Gee, it's almost like it's important for the long term success of society to have systems in place that make sure it's not a burden to create new people to take over for your generation after their bodies are too old and broken to keep working and society functioning.

Then again, the decisions have already been made by the people with the power to make them, and technology/automation are in line to replace workers. They'll be a little loud and problematic until the numbers naturally even themselves out, but we'll be left with an enlightened society of capitalist asset owners being supported by a massive technological network.

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[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Put the value back into my income then, ye cunts.

I make the same number as my dad used to. His was a different currency but the number was the same which makes it awfully simple to put everything into perspective.

His house: 350 Mine: a little under half the size: 900

I'm already down 550 in comparison.

His insurance: 90 Mine: 160

I'm down 620.

His medicine cost and doctor visits: basically zero. Mine: 385 and half the medicine comes out of pocket nowadays.

This difference is hard to put into perspectice as the 385 is once a year and medicine depends on the situation.

Him: unemployed wife, groceries cost about 200 for a full month, owns a car and has 4 children.

Me: wife works and has a hobby that makes money, no car because no money left. Groceries: we eat about 2/3rd of what they did and pay 200 a week. No children.

We are down 1220 if we forget about insurance and medicine. I don't make 1220 more than he did.

Fuck this hellhole, you stole our life and i hope there is a hell for you scumbags.

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[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 56 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"choosing".

Articles like this are not for you and me. These are written for investors.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The plebs aren't breeding enough future workers for us to exploit to deliver the promised renumerations to our shareholders.

We MUST find out the reason why! No it can't possibly be that extracting all the wealth into our dragon hoards, I mean, hedge funds is the reason why they're too broke to support children.

It can only be a LiFeStYlE cHoICe! Like being homeless or poor.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 54 points 10 months ago

Friend of mine wanted kids. Can't afford it. Both her and her partner work full time, though money was too tight for them to feel comfortable. It's heartbreaking, really.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 50 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What could rasing a child cost? 10$?

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[–] vladmech@lemmy.world 49 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Living that DINK life and still having trouble keeping out of debt. I can't imagine having to cover for kids, too.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Why the fuck would I want to subject my own children to the inevitability of human suffering? I'm not going to make the same mistake my parents made.

If the world collapses because there are no more children, I'll consider it my greatest accomplishment before ending it all on my own terms.

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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The world needs fewer people.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] AndaliteBandit@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Im a DINK! Just this year we bought a house, vacationed in Europe and are installing a new heat pump system. I interact with my friends kids and have nieces and nephews. I get to be the fun one and if someone poops or gets sick I can return them. It's like skipping right to the grandparent stage. I don't hate kids or look down on parents like some child free communities but I don't envy them at all. I totally get why DINKness is on the rise. Hopefully the stigma reduces as it become more common.

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I'm over here single income double kids. Opps lol

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[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (19 children)

Don't mind me. I'm the weirdo that legit loves being a parent.

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[–] Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 30 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I already have two kids. Is it too late to adopt this lifestyle?

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"But we need your children to grow up and produce product and more children so that we can continue the cycle of funneling the value they create into the pockets of our society's most wealthy and well connected!"

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[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I was lucky to get sterilized in Tennessee (pre RvW), and I'm absolutely hyped about it. I never felt maternal, and the feeling disappeared even more as I heard the 'discussions' about women's 'rights'. The more I was made to feel like a next gen's workforce factory , the more I realized a life of free time and savings was much more desirable.

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[–] NewAgeOldPerson@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

I very much enjoy the lifestyle that comes with it. It's less stress overall. And it's not exactly a fun place (current state of the world) for me to want to bring a mini me into.

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