I love how a country is allowed to just get away with killing children and UN workers and doctors and journalists but we condemn countries that do the same thing like Russia. It makes no sense that Israel should get a free pass, all it does is expose a huge double standard
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False equivalence.
Russia bombed Kiev for the hell of it, not even pretending there was a military objective. Russia also is conscripting Ukrainians to fight against their fellow countrymen as cannon-fodder on the front line. It is kidnapping children into Russia.
We could go an have a piss-fight between the warcrimes of Russia and the warcrimes of Israel.
The US can be the bad guy in one conflict while be on the good side on another. Imperialism is bad, whether it's Russia or the US doing it.
Also, Hamas are war criminals as well. No good guys fighting there ATM.
The whole point of the article is Biden criticizing Israel for going too far in their mission to eradicate Hamas. He even criticized US for invading Afghanistan.
No good guys fighting there ATM.
IDF are the good guys, just like the Ukrainian army is. That doesn't mean that every single individual in either army are angels or that every operation is virtuous, just that their overall intentions are just.
An important question: What would the world look like if these guys won versus if they lost?
I'm positively surprised ur not downvoted to hell for saying that I must say
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all it does is expose a huge double standard
No, a simple unistandard. I'll illustrate with a meme.
Isreal's main exports are cutting-edge technology found nowhere else in the world. Russia's main export is oil. Western and European Union countries were fine getting their oil elsewhere, but they absolutely do not want to give up advanced tech. Especially since there will always be other countries that don't care and will continue trading anyway.
Israel ain't Taiwan. What tech do you think is indispensable there?
Mostly software based tech. Israel is leading in the field of "legal" spyware for example.
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Bioscience and Military tech are also fields Isreali companies excel at.
I often hear of Bioscience "breakthroughs" from Israel which amount to nothing but hype.
What military tech apart from Iron Dome? (which protects against crappy home made rockets)
search for Israeli Nobel prize winners.
and multiple countries want to have their hand on iron dome including Ukraine so where ur going with this?
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Action: skirt congress rules to give Israel shells to continue bombing indiscriminately
Words: You need to change, you’re losing support.
Which is it? And can you guess which speaks louder.
propoganda. israel doesn't shell indiscriminately, they targets terrorists.
otherwise gaza would b erased from map in a single day.
do u really compare the most dense city in the world to... that?
or u try to make a point that so many buildings were destroyed yet so many arabs are alive thus Israel is doing a great job not harming the population?
Is this a joke account?
Gaza is not even remotely the densest city in the world. There are several cities in Israel alone that are denser.
Also, yeah, the death toll among civilians is a tiny fraction of that in these cities during WW2 despite similar levels of destruction, which does support the claim that Israel is actually warning people.
"Terrorists" as in "every male person over 18 + 40% women and children as collateral damage".
propoganda
You’re so deep in. Wow. You can literally turn on the TV and see the bodies and burned out apartments stacking up on corporate media.
The tide is turning, Zionist. The world is starting to hate Israel.
The claim he called propaganda was that every male over 18 +40% of women are seen as, and killed as, terrorists by the Israeli army, not that there wouldn't be dead civilians. Nobody, literally nobody, claims the latter. Also YOU are funnily the one doing that by being anti-Israel? That, other than Hamas, is an actual country with civilians. Just stop the polarisation and dramatisation. One can be against wannabe autocrat Netanyahu, the war crimes the Israeli army is committing, and yet hope they kill every single Hamas member. Gaza has to be freed, from Hamas and Iran's snd Quatar's influence. Unlike those two countries Israel ACTUALLY has a proven track record of working with Palestinians on a civil and economic level and not like your crusader kings jihad DLC fantasy.
do you genuinely think that the actions of Israel are going to actually achieve the goal of killing every single Hamas member? what the Israeli government is doing is actively building support for radical action, because the position Israel is taking, the actions they're taking, are unreasonable and abhorrent. if your goal is to kill all the insurgents, you lose. because there is no practical way to do that without victimizing the population, killing innocent people, and driving the survivors of that terror campaign into insurgency themselves. we've seen this play out before, in so many places. Israel is doing nothing but ensuring the continuation of this conflict.
Unlike those two countries Israel ACTUALLY has a proven track record of working with Palestinians on a civil and economic level and not like your crusader kings jihad DLC fantasy.
maybe there was a track record. there isn't one any more. the only record the people of Gaza care about is the death toll. how are they expected to trust a country so willing to deliver death, disease, and famine upon them? how are we, as people who care for the lives of our fellow human beings, expected to side with racists and murderers? Hamas is a blight, no doubt, but it is a response to decades of oppression and harm, harm that Israel is gleefully embracing, even as the world turns against them. the kind of dysfunction that makes a state do what Israel is doing is not worth preserving. the kind of ideology that could justify what is happening right now is not worth fighting for.
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You made a typo. Let me fix it.
propoganda: israel doesn’t shell indiscriminately, they targets terrorists.
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Didn't he just go all "I'm a Zionist?" And claim that he will never stop supporting Israel? Somehow I think he is being a bit disingenuous here.
Clearly speaking out of both sides of his mouth and it's glaringly obvious.
You expect Biden to remember what he said from one moment to the next?
Strong words from the anti ceasefire country. A real moral stand here.
Biden to Bibi: "don't make the same mistakes we made in 9/11. There's no reason why we had to be in a war in Afghanistan."
There's really no reason why we had to be in a war in Iraq. Afghanistan... yeah, probably not there, either, especially given how intimately we understood how well they had been trained at guerilla warfare against foreign invaders.
Although, that's not guite accurate; there were reasons, they were just serving different, less publically recognized, purposes. Much like Netanyahu's war.
make no mistake - Netanyahu has his faults, many even, but no country should and would accept the terror act hamas did and do nothing
Good thing that basically every other action you could do falls between "do nothing", and "commit ethnic cleansing", so they've got a lot to choose from!
Too bad they decided to go with the ethnic cleansing instead.
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Well Iraq, the first time, yes. They invaded Kuwait which in my opinion did legitimise the first gulf war (though opinions may vary). Though IMO it should have happened under UN flag but of course the security council is forever locked into a stalemate.
The second war, no. Whatever it was.. Made-up WMD's, funding of military industrial complex, Dubya's desire to finish daddy's pet project, whatever. A real reason there was not.
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Sounds like a lot of hot air coming from the guy who bypassed congress to float an extra $106,000,000 so the IDF can use more guns and bombs on civilians.
I used to be a vote blue no matter who, afraid of Trump fascism, but a statement must be made that this is not okay.
He's already walked it back again anyway. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-gaza-war-live-white-house-walks-back-biden-remarks-that-israel-was-losing-international-support-over-gaza-bombing/ar-AA1lqsz4
It was probably just a gesture to appease his moderate backers consdering he's doing pretty badly in the polls.
One fascist to another "dude, can you chill for a sec? you're making me look bad"
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WASHINGTON, Dec 12 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden said on Tuesday that Israel is losing support over its "indiscriminate" bombing of Gaza and that Benjamin Netanyahu should change his hardline government, exposing a new rift in relations with the Israeli prime minister.
Biden's remarks, made to donors to his 2024 re-election campaign, were his most critical to date of Netanyahu's handling of Israel's war in Gaza.
They are a stark contrast to his literal and political embrace of the Israeli leader days after Hamas militants' Oct. 7 attack on southern Israel.
Biden, who often speaks off the cuff at his fundraising events, spoke at a Washington hotel to a crowd of about a hundred that included a number of Jewish attendees.
The sharp comments came as Biden's national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, prepares to travel to Israel for talks with the Israeli war cabinet.
Netanyahu said in a statement on Tuesday that Israel had received "full backing" from the U.S. for its ground incursion into Gaza and that Washington had blocked "international pressure to stop the war".
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