Asklemmy

Idk about Just Stop Oil, but as a someone from Germany, a country that has done what you seek to do, namely moving from 3rd world conditions to 1st world conditions by the use of the cheapest energy source: fossil fuels, there is a sad secret i can tell you:
As per my quick and unscientific calcualtions, Germany used fossil fuels over a period of roughly 120 years to bring ~80M people from 3rd world conditions to the current level, emitting roughly 80bn tonnes of co2 and heating the planet by 0.145C.

If we apply this very rough calculation to 1bn Indians (blissfuilly ignoring the rising population of India), Indians will have to work tirelessly for the next 50 years at 2x our speed to do this. So most indians living today will likely never see that dream fully come true.
As a result earth will be heated to 2.95°C (current temp + heating by Indians), a temperature incompatible with boring 3rd world stuff like farming. If we add the african continent (>1.2bn) to the mix (they also want to achieve this, i asked them), it's more like 5°C.

In the end, Indians will have to decide: Do you guys want to want to have your grand-children drive cars, or do you want that your children have stuff to eat.

Here in Germany the people have already decided: We want to achieve a ratio of peope-to-cars of 1:1 (as God planned for us) (We are at 0.583:1), and for that we are sacrificing our grandchildren's cravings for food (and your grandchildren's too). But that is ok, because they are not born yet, so we can not hurt them. And also: Food is so boring.
If we fail, and someone forces us to abandon our ways and do koombayah without cars and with renewables (idk that's Indian i think), we will just say we did not know that co2 was harmful and that we just did what our boss ordered. Worked for our grandparents, will work for us.

I already know what Indians will decide, for they are just like us: You will choose the cars.

Peace to India, and remember: We are the good guys, we knew nothing, we just wanted to be happy (life is not worth living without a car).

May contain large amounts of sarcasm, sry for bad english, i'm in a hurry.

I saw an economist recently speak and he touched on the topic of oil. Beyond using it for power, it is deeply rooted in everything we do by way of plastic (in your car, on your TV, fast food containers, Barbie boxes, coffee makers, and so on). Practically speaking, giving up oil will take a while, so we should start the process sooner rather than later. Super interesting presentation.

It's absolutely possible to completely switch over to renewable for power creation. It's just not profitable.

We've been fooled to think that things that are "too expensive" aren't possible. Sometimes that's the case. Sometimes it's just us putting money over people.

Good on you for checking in with all those people, it must have taken a while.

Lifting the whole world off of fossil fuels is going to be hard, especially if we want to do it quickly. This isn't however a problem the capitalist and nation-state models are well equipped to solve. It should not be a question of can a given people afford the technology or if someone can turn a profit on it.

We need to do this as a species, for the species. It should be given not as charity, not because wealthy countries owe it to poor ones, but because it is right that everyone should benefit from this.

The difficulty is how to convince the politicians and their masters of this, and I don't think throwing paint on things is going to be sufficient.

They're cowards. Because they mess with everyday people but not with Government. Like gluing themselves to Government buildings. How Just Stop Oil protest makes people turn against them and their message. So gg Just Stop Oil.

EDIT I don't want Just Stop Oil to mess with everyday people, just with governments.

Just shut down all but the absolute necessary of industry. At the start of COVID carbon emissions nosedived, we just need to keep doing that.

It's not just power either. Green energy is not good enough yet, but there are other problems.

Whole industries are built on using whatever is left after certain oil processes. You might be using something right now, that has resources that in the end would not be there without oil mining.

PVC floors use part of oil that is left over after kerosine is made for airplanes. So if we stop using fuel, we also have to figure out a replacement for that. And this is just one example. There could be thousands of things like this.

Because we have the oil and the leftovers, we use it and have very efficient technology to create products that we need. So if we stop using fuel, we have solved one problem(and I don't believe we will be able to do this for quite some time), but there will be consequences everywhere.

Jobs will disappear, whole industries need to start over and find different ways of producing things with different, green resources. The very foundation that our society is built on will need to shift.

I believe plastic is also an oil product. Can you imagine a world with no plastic? I know it is bad for the environment, but if you want to package food safely, or medicine, what is the alternative?

It is going to take a tremendous amount of effort, innovation and money to get even close to stopping with oil, and even more to solve all the problems that will follow.

If we spent 10% of the renewable effort towards nuclear, the cheapest electricity wouldn't be gas or coal anymore.

So yea, poorer countries with larger populations need to stop being blamed for trying to have a good life, when it's the rich countries chasing the shiny new thing that keeps us harming the environment

We're starting to be able to mass produce thin sheets of solar panels as easily as newspaper. It's time to replace coal plants and switch to renewables.

You can also put wind turbines out at sea and out of sight and add tidal generators below them. But wait there's more! You can generate power at wave level too! So now this combination generator system can send lots of power back to shore.

If everybody would just stop eating fucking meat we wouldn’t be having this problem. Your addiction is killing the planet.