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[–] cyd@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago (4 children)

If you think LLMs hallucinate too much, wait till you check out code literally written during hallucinations.

[–] JGrffn@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I posted this in another comment, but during uni I did in fact write code in lucid dreams. A friend can vouch for a specific time when I woke up from sleep during an all nighter, to fix a very specific bug (which I just remembered, we didn't even know it existed), then went back to sleep. On another occasion, I designed a recursive path-finding algorithm to replace djikstra's algorithm, all in my sleep.

It definitely can be done (though I doubt it could be done consistently and without actually imagining shit up), but it really shouldn't be done, I really doubt I was really resting while doing that.

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[–] mdhughes@lemmy.ml 34 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have a lot of lucid dreams, and they're often in a specific city, and sometimes I even go to work in these dreams. I haven't lived in a city and worked in an office in over 10 years, so it's some kind of reverse escapism. I can always leave, and weird stuff happens anyway. I wouldn't trust any of my work output there.

But to let a company try to take over your dreams and never let you escape, you need to stand up and fight that shit. Put them in a never-ending nightmare where nobody gives them money.

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[–] dukk@programming.dev 30 points 9 months ago

If I’m going to be working in my dreams, I better get paid for it.

[–] beizhia@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

This concept actually makes me want to have AI take my job

[–] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is stupid for a wide variety of reasons, but one of the more interesting ones is that text is notoriously inconsistent in dreams.

A very common "reality check" to see if you're dreaming is to look at a clock or text, look away, and look back. The time/text will nearly always change.

So explain to me how they expect COMPUTER CODE to work?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

Well, I guess they'll have to patch that bug first.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I became obsessed with lucid dreaming after seeing the Waking Life movie, around when I started high school, and yeah that's one of the things I used to induce them. Kept a dream journal and had a digital watch that I would always look at, light switches etc. I did have lucid dreams but never got really good at it and eventually just neglected the practice... about when I started having real life sex LOL

[–] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Ha funny how that works.

I never got into dream journaling but frequent reality checks and practicing meditation was pretty effective for me. 100% of the time when I wake up from a lucid dream I get bad sleep paralysis where I feel like I'm suffocating, so I kinda fell out of the habit.

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[–] BluesF@feddit.uk 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If this is the same startup I read about a while ago... Well the technology doesn't actually exist. There's a vague suggestion that maybe lucid dreams could be induced through techniques that are not properly understood yet, and that's about it.

[–] JGrffn@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Well FWIW there are somewhat reproducible techniques, I've used them, but I couldn't tell you how I've used them if my life depended on it (honestly, brain chemical imbalances or fatigue might be a prerequisite). I actually got tired of lucid dreaming and started avoiding certain positions in bed, and started shifting around if I felt myself getting close to jumping into a lucid dream during hypnagogia.

I also worked on university assignments during lucid dreams, solved countless bugs in my code while asleep, a friend can even attest to it since one time I instantly woke up to solve a specific bug and then went back to sleep, with him right next to me (all nighters woo hoo).

It can be done. It really shouldn't be done. The reason why I grew tired of lucid dreaming is because I didn't feel like I was actually resting at all. That disconnect and peace that falling asleep gives you, it's not there for me while lucid dreaming (at least not if I jumped in through hypnagogia).

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[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There's a vague suggestion that maybe lucid dreams could be induced through techniques that are not properly understood yet, and that's about it.

Where can I invest?

[–] BluesF@feddit.uk 3 points 9 months ago

DM me hun x

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[–] guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

The tradeoff obviously will be that since you're not actually getting rest, and all multicellular life needs to sleep, it's going to fuck up a lot of engineers in ways we won't find out about for like 5-10 years until they start going crazy/dying/whatever. But hey, people are infinitely replaceable commodities you can just burn through like trees, right?

[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry, the whole thing is pure BS

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So are a lot of worker antagonistic business trends.

Doesn't stop some CEO from trying to implement it.

[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

This is really a scam. A sleeping engineer cannot code in his dreams. This is not how the human body works. This guy is trying to scam ignorant venture capitals.

Similar to theranos. They exploit deep ignorance on biology of people who spent their life doing money

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[–] NBJack@reddthat.com 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Just think: People having to get help because the job they quit three years ago keeps showing up in their dreams. What's worse is that they keep doing it, in control but unaware of the fact that they aren't getting paid, threatened by their in-dream former boss with being fired if the quota wasn't met.

Staying awake yet unemployed becomes one of their only escapes. They turn to stimulants to stay away from 'work' just a bit longer, just a little more peace.

But they then 'crash', falling asleep for almost a day, and starting a shift that feels like an eternity, Inception style.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I don't know the answer to this, but I thought lucid dreaming still counted as getting rest as far as your brain was concerned. I lucid dream about once a month, and I never felt tired after it or like I was missing sleep.

[–] Meltrax@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Lucid dreaming is such a cool concept. The ability to mentally experience things in a truly boundless environment, untethered by laws of physics or standards of reality.

Why the fuck would you want to waste that experience on work?

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Won't anyone please think of the shareholders?!

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

If im dreaming and thinking of shareholders . . . my lawyer has advised me to not finish this train of thought.

[–] akrot@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I feel also the concept of "work" is viewed from employer/employee perspective, but I'd argue it should be viewed more from "useful” development one. Like reading a fiction book vs a non-fiction.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

I don't entertain media with clickbait titles, and you shouldn't either.

[–] fjordo@feddit.uk 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I spend enough time at work during the day, I'm not letting some manager take my sleep from me too. Fuck that.

[–] there1snospoon@ttrpg.network 12 points 9 months ago

For a job this would be horrifying. But for my hobbies? This would be cool as all heck.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Can we call this timeline a dystopia yet?

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[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Well this is fucking dystopian.

[–] might_steal_your_cat@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm probably not a lucid dreamer, but at times when I write code all day long I may also dream about it at night. Sometimes, I would wake up in the middle of the night and write an "amazing solution" down so I can implement it the next day. Not surprisingly, most of the "amazing solutions" are total nonsense.

Edit: If this happens to you, it's probably a sign that you code way too much. I know it might be difficult, but try to relax more please.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've had it for doing too much of coding, math (can't speak for meth), and playing online fps. But yes, I don't know if these experiences count as lucid dreams.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago

You have no idea the shit that's in my dreams. You wanna see me code like that?

Buckle up, chuckle-nuts.

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 9 points 9 months ago

Get your beefbrain shield pro quick, we're headed into hypnospace

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No. Fuck no.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago

Are you really sleeping then? I thought the point of sleeping was to wash away the buildup of plaque (amyloid?) in your brain. IINM the inability to get rid of it is one of the reasons for Alzheimers and dementia.

I would really like to know what they measure and how it compares between users and non-users of this ultrasonic tech. Disrupting brain functionality to be quasi awake might not be the smartest thing to do.

[–] Cossty@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Imagine if you could study in your sleep... Or "watch" a book and be acually there... Hmm that wouldn't really work for innner dialogue of other characters...

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The technique I've used to trigger lucid dreaming is noticing when "static" text changes or is otherwise nonsense... so I have my doubts. And zero desire to learn more because I'm full up on dystopias right now.

[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

I thought sleep was supposed to be my time.

[–] silverbax@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

This would lead to awful code, but it's 100% bullshit.

[–] RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Getting closer and closer to making you part of the Matrix. Your productivity is not allowed to stop.

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