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She's clearly having fun, running around in circles, chewing sticks, and finding and eating cat poop. And I don't want to discourage her from having fun when I take her outside (except for the cat poop thing -- that needs to stop).

But she seems to have the idea that jumping up and biting my wrists or my ankles is a fun game that we both enjoy, and she seems to be getting more agressive about it.

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[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago

I've always trained dogs not to bite by firmly saying "Ow! No bite." They have to learn that we are more delicate than other dogs. It's also very important to provide them with an alternative.

So I make a noise like it hurt, say no bite, and then give them a toy immediately after. This promotes what I call 'substitute biting,' where I'll rile one of my dogs up with a little rough housing, and they'll grab a toy and start chomping down and shaking that while looking at me.

I fostered a stray who I basically had to train all the puppy phases out of when he was about 1 year old and as big as my wife (GSD mix/mut). Even tho he was starved of human contact, he too learned not to bite with this method. Took longer than most puppies.. but when I'd say "Ow! No bite." he'd stop and look at me trying to figure out what prompted it. If toy substitution didn't work, I'd stop playing. He learned that if he wanted to play, he couldn't bite the fragile humans.

Also worth noting that some dogs (common with GSD for instance) like to engage in a sort of handholding, especially as a puppy. It may seem like they're wanting to chew on you if you don't know better, but if they kinda just get your hand in their mouth it could be the 'handholding.' I break that habit because it can still scratch and I don't want someone to claim a dog of mine 'bit' them by doing it.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Stop playing as soon as it happens. Wait 10-15 mins before going again.

[–] SlurpDaddySlushy@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

To add onto this use reinforcing language. Soon they'll start to react to the word so you will continue playing.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You have to set boundaries. She’s going to keep on doing it until you teach her not to, and she’s more likely to do so to other people as well.

Give a sharp “Ow!” and do it in a high pitched voice. Then give her a sharp “No!” Then the play stops. You’re giving three types of reinforcement there - the yelp is for letting her know she hurt you (do this even if it didn’t hurt), saying “no” helps her to understand what she was doing was not the correct behavior, and withdrawing the fun is the punishment part.

It sounds like you also might need general obedience training. If she’s good around other dogs I’d consider obedience classes where you can work with her under the guidance of a trainer.

You can try training her on your own, too, but get a good up to date book on training. Use treats for positive reinforcement. At a minimum, for her safety and for yours, she should learn the commands for sit, stay, and come. I’d also do “give” meaning she has to let you take the stick (or whatever) out of her mouth, and I also like to train away food guarding behavior (you should be able to pick up their food bowl while they’re eating and not have them bite or growl.

The cat poop one is not a fight you’re going to win, but the rest of it should be solvable. At the very least, if you catch her going for it, a sharp “No” and calling her back to you to get a treat should work, but she is going to keep doing it if she can get away with it. I’d start with the basics and then work on the poop eating.

[–] PullUpCircuit@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 11 months ago

I used this method. My dog used to get so rough that I was concerned that he was going to hurt someone.

Adding to it, when play stopped, I turned away and 'sulked' because body language means so much. Also, I added in a toy for tug of war, and whenever the play escaped the toy I said ow and play was done.

This took a few months to really sink in for the dog, but we got to the point where he would play, we would say to get a toy, and there was no more leaping for limbs.

Some long time later, we were to the point where I could hold his teeth for gentle tug of war, but he decided he didn't like my skin in his mouth.

[–] benignintervention@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

This is the method I used, but if mine was wayyy too amped and persisted with aggressive play, I would redirect with a toy. I'd just put it in his mouth when he got mouthy so he would learn what he could bite with force. Later, once he learned to not be rough during play, I trained a command word to use when he got carried away.

Also for food, from the first month I had him, I trained him to sit and wait for me to touch his feet, ears, and mouth before he could eat. And also I'd take his food randomly. If he responded with aggression, he didn't get to eat until he let me take it away without issue. However, he was a 6month old puppy at the time, so we were working on brand new skills and not breaking old habits. I have zero advice or experience for older dogs. Not sure if it's different.

Probably 80% of it is his natural demeanor, but 5 years later and virtually nothing bothers this dog

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Yelp, even if it doesn’t hurt. They understand that more than words

[–] Toes@ani.social 12 points 11 months ago

My understanding is that they learn how to play as puppies as they would get feedback. So you may consider exaggerating when it hurts to better highlight the pain. Alternatively, another puppy to play with.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You say "ow" and stop playing for a bit. They'll figure it out eventually. Most breeds, anyway. Huskies will just learn to be super gentle while still using their mouth.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Always reinforce with the words “No bite!”

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yelp, make it understood that you're not having fun. Sounds like a distressed puppy for a any time it happens. Oddly, that worked with my dog for her jumping on me, but not for everyone. It's... Frustrating. She knows that's not how I play, but others in my family not so much.

Edit: I'm not a trainer, you might want to get a session or two with someone who is highly rated, to get their input.

[–] iamericandre@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Have plenty of toys around so when she starts to get bitey you can redirect it towards a toy which will help because she’ll learn “oh cool I can chew/bite this”. Also work on teaching her the word No or off/down. Really should be high on the priority list of commands to teach. You can also try wincing in pain like a dog would and that will sometimes indicate that they’re playing too rough and will stop, but that doesn’t always work. In fact with my dog it hardly worked when he was a puppy.

[–] Syrus@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I used to just scream NO! and give them a "gentle" push so they would lose their balance. Never hurt them but make them understand. It's easier with puppies but a grown dog will try to test you more and in the worst case scenario might even retalliate... If that happens you will need to "fight" them. Get them on their back and hold them there until they calm down. Without actually hurting them ofcourse. You just need to overpower them, show them who's boss.

THIS ONLY WORKS IF YOU ENCOURAGE GOOD BEHAVIOUR ALSO.

It's not about punishing, ideally you need about 90% positive reinforcement and 10% negative. (i made up the numbers but you get what i'm saying) You need the positive reinforcement so they will respect you when you get angry. If you do it right the only thing you'll need to do eventually is scream NO!! and they'll respect you and try to figure out why they made you angry and try learn from it on their own because they will make it their goal to please you.

I hope this made sense.

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For cat poop, we got one of these dog playpen enclosures: Amazon Basics - Octagonal Foldable Metal Exercise Pet Play Pen for Dogs, Fence Pen, Single Door, Small, 60 x 60 x 30 Inches, Black https://a.co/d/6Nz4VuU

It is set so that the cats can get through a gap easily, but Henry can't get his head through without causing a huge racket.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't look like a very big area for a dog

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I thought the OP was talking about their dog getting into an indoors litter box. It's not for the dog to play in, it's to keep them out. (In case you're joking, let me be the first to say whoooosh to myself lol)

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 11 months ago

Oh phew, I assumed dog was finding cat poo when out and about so I thought you were suggesting setting that up as a prison yard for dog to attempt to run around in!