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The Biden administration has announced a proposal to “strengthen its Lead and Copper Rule that would require water systems to replace lead service lines within 10 years,” the White House said in a statement on Thursday.

According to the White House, more than 9.2 million American households connect to water through lead pipes and lead service lines and, due to “decades of inequitable infrastructure development and underinvestment,” many Americans are at risk of lead exposure.

“There is no safe level of exposure to lead, particularly for children, and eliminating lead exposure from the air, water, and homes is a crucial component of the Biden-Harris Administration’s historic commitment to advancing environmental justice,” the Biden administration said.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 150 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Can't wait for the GOP to sabotage this so they can oWn ThE LiBs: "Lead free pipes are for socialists!"

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

"We don't want any of your leftist 'woke' pipes!"

[–] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

I can already hear my boomer father bitching

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Came here to say this. I look forward to whatever their excuse is to not solve the toxic drinking water problem. And likely immediately spend more on DoD or cut taxes to the rich.

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[–] Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago

Lead makes Republicans

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

It's funny, because the hexbears basically have the same "Biden bad" reaction. Almost like there's a weird amount of ideological overlap.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 82 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Flip your district blue in 18 years with this one weird trick!

[–] GombeenSysadmin@feddit.uk 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is a greater threat to the republicans than gerrymandering is to the democrats!

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[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 54 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Those that purposely destroyed the water systems with cuts in Flint Michigan should have been quartered in a public square.

Sadly in reality they probably received bonuses and perks.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Those that caused the switchover to Flint River water that resulted in the disaster surfacing definitely should be drawn and quartered, no question. Snyder and his city managers put all this nonsense in motion and should be charged with crimes against humanity.

However, it's also a systemic, deeper problem in the US. Flint's pipes didn't suddenly become terrible overnight. The entire water system was in disrepair for decades. The only reason it didn't surface sooner was they were regulating the water going through it to hold the demons at bay. Even when it was working, pre-disaster, the water was safe to drink, but horrible from a drinking water perspective.

The whole system was a giant leaking piece of junk that basically kept working due to positive pressure pushing contaminants out of the leaks, and the pH level being maintained so the old pipes wouldn't start leeching into the water. That a GM engine plant had to switch water sources because the water was damaging the engine construction is just mind-blowing. Human bodies are vastly more delicate than engines.

Flint's not the only one either, many American cities with aging water infrastructure that wasn't properly maintained all have/had similar problems.

We are such a short-sighted country that seems to so quickly forget that our infrastructure requires constant maintenance and updates. I really think the generation that got to live among all the New Deal and post WWII infrastructure just thought they lived in a magic time where all this stuff just exists forever, rather than realizing it takes stewardship to keep things "the way they are". Now, we on the back end, reap the rewards of everything falling apart at the same time, faster than we can fix it.

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

We are such a short-sighted country

We see about as far as the next quarter's profits. That seems to be the marker. Apparently, the future isn't really worth looking at past that.

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[–] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There the Democrats go again not doing anything!

[–] ours@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

"Both sides are the same"

[–] 7Sea_Sailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Just another day on which I as a European am absolutely shocked how shit the quality of life in the US is.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 65 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Europe has lead pipes as well, buddy.

They're perfectly safe as long as idiots don't change the water supply to one that's more acidic without buffering the pH.

Hell, England and Wales have nearly 3x more than the entire US.

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[–] ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago (6 children)

We currently have the freedom to drink lead tainted water, can you say the same?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 69 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Yes. 25% of domestic residences still use lead piping in the EU, compared to 10% in the US.

Europeans "Try Not To Talk Shit About Something You're Actually Worse About" Challenge:

Impossible.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

But it feeeels like they should be better! Don't bring facts into the Europe self-suck contest

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

Do they even have people in wheelchairs in Europe? Would really suck ass for those people if true.

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[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You don't even have pipes in Europe. You drink water that you squeeze out of your sheep's wool

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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It’s worth noting that 9.2 million homes is an extremely small percentage of American homes and I’d say almost all of them are extremely rural homes or dying rural towns that just need relocated. Think of North Dakota as akin to the Siberian oblasts or northern Finland, neither get a lot of infrastructure care because no almost one is there. This is the Biden admin trying to look out for the little guy that’s been ignored the last century

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[–] Delta_V@midwest.social 48 points 9 months ago (1 children)

While we're digging shit up, lets lay some fiber.

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I would rather DRINK LEAD then to not be allowed to call a black person the N WORD! I'm a NOT RACIST REPUBLICAN!

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Amazing that this has not been done decades ago.

[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

To be completely fair, a layer builds up in the pipe which stops the lead being an issue unless you royally fuck up like Flint. That said, it still should've been fixed

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[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (13 children)

It's such a staggering amount of work and money that I think is hard for most people to comprehend. Though, if dispersed properly, will benefit local workers as they usually require they get paid prevailing wage. Which can be pretty fucking high depending on where you live.

And even once all of the lead service lines are replaced, that's just from main to the meter at most. All of the internal fixtures are the owner's responsibility, and you better believe tons of old houses are still full of lead pipes.

This is something that is going to take decades, and you're absolutely right that we should have started decades ago.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This has the potential to save democracy itself. If we can hold out 30-50 years.

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[–] Dra@lemmy.zip 39 points 9 months ago (5 children)

This has been often speculated as being the cause of the "Stupid American" stereotype. Good decision

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago (7 children)

That seems implausible. Lead pipes are common pretty much everywhere and it's usually not a problem due to a coating on the pipes.

It's just an issue in the US because there's been a few notable examples of that coating being damaged and causing contamination, which creates political will to do the replacements that everyone is doing at an accelerated pace.

Most places, in the US or not, just replace them during routine maintenance. The UK and Germany should have theirs replaced by 2100, if nothing comes up to make them accelerate the process.

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (14 children)

This is great. 10 years seems long, but it is a huge project. Glad it will be started soon.

Edit: Aw shit. This is only a proposal. At least we are talking about it.

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[–] qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is a hugely underrated win imo. We have no idea the damage lead is doing to us, we can only guess the damage in health problems is in the billions. Politicians usually don't give a shit about this so for Biden to do so is a big outstretched hand and big achievement

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 9 months ago

Why suit man take my sweet water?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Can you imagine if this turns out to be the thing that was needed to calm you lot down?

In a major new study (conducted decades ago) it turns out that Lead in your water/food/air is bad for you

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[–] MuuuaadDib@lemm.ee 15 points 9 months ago

I know the GOP will hate this plan, and want people dumber.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

Waiting for a Republican to call this a woke, gay, Chinese conspiracy or whatever.

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[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)

TIL that America uses lead water pipes… WTF

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It's actually pretty common around the world. Most places stopped putting in new ones but haven't gone back and phased out the old ones.
The UK and Germany for example didn't discontinue the practice until the 70s.

Usually there's a coating in the pipes that prevents contamination, allowing utilities to replace the pipes with more modern replacements as they do routine maintenance. There's a big focus on doing that maintenance ahead of schedule in the US after a series of very public incidents where that coating was damaged and lead got in the water causing serious issues.

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[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

America used lead water pipes

Lead pipes can last 100+ years

America is ~250 years old.

Lead pipes installed in early 1900s would still be functional today.

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Sounds like he's a-Biden by safety regulations.

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Watch as soon as he's out of office it gets put on hold

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 9 months ago

And it will be described as a Good Thing™

Trump saved us from losing our heritage! We grew off of lead pipes and those damn liberals were going to strip us of that!! Lol I hate that this is an actual possibility.

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[–] dRLY@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Key word is "proposal", which will be used for the election. But will not be actually fought for, or if somehow makes it through will likely be gutted to give corps money and just retain the name. I am thinking it would be stopped just like all the bullshit was on technicalities that we never hear of except when shit that would help people is brought forward (the shit involving that stupid-ass parliamentarian a few years ago being a great example). And the mass public of liberals or otherwise the "um I really don't care about politics" folks will just remember it was mentioned at some point and assume it was done. Just another failure of our larger problem of mass amnesia. Similar to how so many idiots voted for Biden over Bernie because they thought they both were for Medicare for All, since Biden had stated multiple times that "healthcare is a right". Fuck him, his party, the Republicans, corpo media, and especially the capitalist ruling class that owns both parties!

[–] Adubya@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago
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