He's gonna go start his own church with blackjack and children.
this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2023
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He will 100% use this to start a new church to siphon funds from his snowflake congregation
Wouldn't doing that literally be considered heresy? That doesn't really mean much in the modern day I suppose, but if he actually believes all the Catholic stuff (which I imagine he might, to have gotten that high a rank in it in the first place?), then potentially getting excommunicated is probably not something he would want.
I'd be curious if there are actual numbers out there, but a number of ex-Catholics I know have deemed Francis the antipope and have latched onto some random local evangelical church that aligns with their political values. I could definitely see this guy jumping on board with that.
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Good. More of this. Fuck these conservatives wolves in bishops clothing.
Next let's expell all the diddlers... you can't tell me they aren't still around...
Tin foil hat
I read some Italian news story on how basically all the bishops at the vatican are playing politics and slow rolling any real progress on kicking out the diddlers. Probably trying to save the sanctity of the church, but mostly billions in damages paid out to victims.
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If they did that there would probably be more churches than clergymen left.
(Not that I see a downside, but they probably do)
Wait but wasn't a dogma that the word of the Pope IS the word of God? So that guy is an heretic and should be burnt at the stake
Only when the pope chooses to speak as god, forget the fancy term.
The Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility means that the pope has the power as head of the Church to declare something an unquestionable part of Church doctrine. This was last used to declare "the Virgin Mary went to heaven" as part of the Catholic doctrine. The "infallible" part of "papal infallibility" means that the pope's decision on the matter is final and that is the end of the discussion.
Yes. When he’s speaking formally.
When he calls the nurse wiping his decrepit ass “a hot piece of tail”… that’s not formal doctrine. That’s just his mortal opinion. I believe the official term is when he’s speaking “ex cathedral”. There may be times broader than that, that count, but it’s a pretty obvious thing when he is.
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Ex cathedra?
That’s it, thank you. It’s…. Been a while.
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There's a heresy called sedevacantism that basically believes the last few Popes don't count because they've taken positions that the real Pope would never take.
They don't do the burning at the stake bit anymore though.
Some people are lucky that today's popes don't act like the popes of the olden days.
BTW, which one was the last true Pope in theory eyes? I bet it's the fascist one
I think most of them think the last real pope was Pius XII, and yeah he was the guy who signed the Reichskonkordat with the Nazis, which required priests in Germany to take an oath of loyalty to the German Reich.
He actually did that as Secretary of State before he became pope, on behalf of the previous pope, so they were both fash.
The reason sedevacantists dislike his successor, John XXIII, is that they are really upset about the Second Vatican Council introducing ideas like "the beneficial nature of diversity" and "concern for secular human values." That's the moment when they think the church went off the rails.
Likely whichever one suits their personal world view of bigotry and fascism.
Yes, that one that supported the Nazi's in WWII and gave the names and addresses of Jews to the gestapo.
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I don't get how you can be 'too progressive'. Surely progress is a good thing, no? If you're against progress, you're in favor of things remaining as they are or getting worse. To me, that's just being a cunt.
I guess what I'm saying is, "Pope removes bishop for being too much of a cunt" would've been a good headline also.
Many people worked hard within the current hierarchy or system to attain power. They essentially invested their time, resource or energy for this gain over a lifetime. Progressives want change to the existing power heirarchies and systems. That change nullifies the lifetime investment. That's why there is such institutional resistance to progressives.
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To me, that’s just being a cunt.
Welcome to religious conservatism.
Progress for one man can be regression for other.
Ah interesting. Sounds smart. Doesn't fit here though.
Gotta ask... Specifically regarding the progress we are referring to here (the right for LGBTQ+ people to exist peacefully), I'm curious how, and for whom, this could possibly cause "regression"? Who is personally losing anything or having any kind of negative difference in their lives in any way whatsoever by the existence of these people?
Edit: for anyone too thick to get what I'm saying: I know there are people who believe allowing LGBTQ+ people to exist is "regressive," that's literally my point. What I'm saying t is that there's no rational, logically sound argument that anyone could make that would somehow show allowing these people to live causes society to regress.
It's just not a thing. It doesn't matter how many times people repeat it.
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Not for religion, it is about power and control.
Progress in general is just a term. What people consider to be "progressive" can change from person to person. There's also the obvious risk of progressing too quickly before things can stabilize, you could progress a third world country far quicker than their people/culture would be able to keep up, for example.
While I understand and agree with your general sentiment, but the idea that progress is actually progress just because it carries the term is a fallacy.
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We have an expression in Québec for people who either:
1- Defend someone else's interests with more fervor than the other person themselves.
2- To have extremist values, thoughts or actions.
The expression is "Être plus catholique que le pape." Or to be more Catholic than the pope himself.
Oh this guy definitely thinks himself the most holy Catholic person to ever live. He is light years away from the papacy in terms of ever being Pope, but definitely casually suggests to his followers that HE some random fuck in Texas would be a better Pope than the actual Pope
In Italian we say "more royalist than the king". Btw, the Pope was criticized even by Italian politicians because "they know better" what the Catholic faith should be like. And I'm not referring to some minor party, but to the very backbone of the current government. It seems like the Pope is intentionally trying to mess up their whole electoral campaign based on tradicional family and morality.
Not very surprising considering the current government is far right and they always believe they know better than anyone else.
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We have pretty much the same expression in English!
Despite the evilness of the Catholic church as a whole, I've got to say I kinda like Pope Francis. Too bad the majority of religious leaders aren't more like him.
He still protected sexual abusers like Cardinal McCarrick. He's handled the PR of sexual abuse than his predecessors, but he hasn't excommunicated a single abuser or enabler. He hasn't turned any records over to law enforcement.
Religious leaders need better role models than the pope.
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Don’t forget he basically said Charlie Hebdo had it coming.
Dude’s still an ass, he’s just a comparatively smaller ass than his predecessors.
He's no saint, though.
What you're mentioning is the equivalent of "huh, this pope gives us 10 fewer kicks in the nuts per day than the previous popes. I kinda like him!"
He wants to welcome lgbt people in the church? The reaction shouldn't be "oh he's so good!" It should be "about damn time, fuckers!"
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The modern church is the shell of the institution it once was. Which is a good thing. Let's make it even less relevant than it already is.
The goal isn't to make it hollow, the goal is to shrink the size proportional to honest participation, so that it doesn't have an outsized influence on the general population.
If it was the whole turtle they would have burned the pedo-, excuse me, pries-cough cough child fucker at the stake for blasphemy.
Churches of all kinds are destroying themselves with politics.
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From the article:
“This is total war,” Matt wrote on X, formerly Twitter. “Francis is a clear and present danger not only to Catholics the world over but also to the whole world itself.”
Matt is the editor of a traditionalist newspaper. That guy needs to touch grass. How stupid can a person be?
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Tyler TX is also home to Idiot Child Louie Gohmert. There are churches and banks on every corner, and every time there's new construction there's a 50% chance it's either a church or a bank.
If I remember right. A friend said that Tyler Texas is also where a bad racist act happened.
True for any Insert Texas name here
I mean the difference was it was during his lifetime which since 2000.
I mean it's like that in Louisiana where I live to. But, I don't think dragging a man to death is not considered par for the course even for texas
I really need to double check my comments
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
ROME (AP) — Pope Francis on Saturday forcibly removed the bishop of Tyler, Texas, a firebrand conservative prelate active on social media who has been a fierce critic of the pontiff and has come to symbolize the polarization within the U.S. Catholic hierarchy.
The Vatican never released the findings and Strickland had insisted he wouldn’t resign voluntarily, saying in media interviews that he was given a mandate to serve as bishop in 2012 by the late Pope Benedict XVI and couldn’t abdicate that responsibility.
Francis has not been shy about his concerns about the right wing in the U.S. Catholic hierarchy, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.
In comments to Portuguese Jesuits in August, Francis blasted the “backwardness” of these conservative bishops, saying they had replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.
The meeting debated a host of previously taboo issues, including women in governance roles and welcoming LGBTQ+ Catholics, but in the end, its final document didn’t veer from established doctrine.
In a social media post sent a few hours before the Vatican’s noon announcement, Strickland wrote a prayer about Christ being the “way, the truth and the life, yesterday, today and forever.” He had changed the handle from his previous @bishopoftyler to @BishStrickland.
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Good, can we suggest others to remove?
The church knows how to respond when you challenge their authority or put their money at risk.
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