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Who actually is the independent key match incident panel? Are they a bunch of ex referees, players, fans, lawyers?

If the goal was disallowed because of the foul. This doesn’t get spoke about 30 seconds after the incident.

It’s far from controversial to say that that’s a foul… because it is one. Sometimes you have to look at how it may of been handled had it gone the other way. I don’t think Newcastle would of said a word had it been a foul.

Let me get this straight, they were unanimous that Havertz was a red as it was "a very dangerous challenge and the type of tackle that needs to be eradicated".

They then say that all the decisions in the Spurs game were correct so they are happy with a two footed challenge and that it didn't fall into the above category?

"Gabriel had already made a movement to play the ball before any contact" what the fuck kind of reasoning is that? How does that make it not a foul?

???

A player with two arms on the back of another player, pushing them downwards, not looking at the ball but looking at the player they are fouling.

Any other circumstances it would be a foul.

I'm done listening to all the mental gymnastics needed to conclude that Joelinton didn't foul Gabriel

although Joelinton does have his hands on Gabriel, there isn't enough to award a foul as Gabriel had made an action to play the ball before any contact

The ball falls through the gap between Joelinton's arms and Gabriel's neck that's being forced down. The only reason that gap exists is because Joelinton is forcing Gabriel's head down, but that doesn't matter because an "action" by Gabriel already occurred? It's nonsense, they wanted to give the goal, it's that simple.

You know, when 2/5 panel members don't believe an intentional forearm to the head away from the play is not worthy of a red, it kind of takes away their credibility.

Anyone else find it worrying that two of five people looked at the Bruno G incident and thought "Nah that's all fine"?

Somehow the Kai Havertz is a unanimous sending off by the panel, but the Bruno Guimares elbow/forearm to the back of the head is not deemed a red card by 2 people. Make it make sense

It's more annoying that a couple of seasons ago, Martinelli had a goal ruled offside against Brighton because the officials weren't sure where to draw the line accurately. On-field decision was goal, but was chalked off after a review.

If they couldn't find conclusive evidence for the offside on this one, why give it?

"We've actually found ourselves to be completely innocent."

Bruno Guimarães' arm to the head of Arsenal's Jorginho in the 45th minute was also a missed red card, but on a split 3-2 decision.

This tells you everything you need to know about how brainless the panel is. Deliberately smashing your forearm into someone's head is not a red card according to 2 panel members.

Meow.

>ESPN

However, the panel felt Destiny Udogie should have received a red card from the referee for his first-half challenge on Raheem Sterling, but it wasn't a clear and obvious error for the VAR to intervene on.

It was a clear and obvious error and VAR should have shown it to the ref to make his own mind on it.

The refs have to be conspiring at this point to show that they make the decisions and not technology or fans.

I’ve never read something so stupid in my life

"The council has made a decision, but seeing as it's a stupid-ass decision..."

So the panel judged the club that was screwed over by the refs at the weekend was Newcastle. The goal was correct and Bruno's red card was a split decision but Havertz's red card was unanimous that he should have been off. This is just too delicious. Got to wonder how much we paid the panel.

Can we get a 27 game ban for Arteta, please?

Booooooo

Has any Arsenal fans asked to see the panels bank statements yet!?!?! I dont want to miss that bitching.

It’s genuinely sad that many Arsenal fans lost the high ground on the limitations of current VAR and instead pivoted to direct corruption.

You genuinely think Saudi Arabia (who has nearly 4 times as much money as the next richest owner) would risk thier sports washing on some bribes instead of just building a fucking juggernaut of a team/club.

I hate the fact that PIF owns us and Saudi Arabia is taking a larger role in football as much as the next guy BUT the lot that was hysterical look foolish right now

This goal is never giving against other teams

Day light robbery

For context 2/5ths of this panel apparently think it’s not a red card to elbow players as retaliation so I’m gonna not take the rest of their takes seriously 👍

I thought Arsenal were annoyed with the Bruno elbow.

I didn't think anyone had serious concerns about the goal.

Karen FC will never let it go regardless

Lol. Like a black man in KKK country getting an independent jury! Don’t fuck with us. Pissing in our pockets and telling us it’s raining. Whose on the inpendent panel? No motherfuckers are neutral about Arsenal.

If Arsenal were the team that scored that goal at SJP, they would 100% disallow it

Fucking joke

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Panel says Newcastle goal vs. Arsenal was correct decision

"The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents Panel has ruled the referee and the VAR were correct to award Newcastle United's winning goal against Arsenal on Saturday -- but the officials missed two red cards.

Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta was furious that Anthony Gordon's winning goal was allowed to stand by referee Stuart Attwell, with three separate VAR checks for the ball being out of play, a foul on Gabriel by Joelinton and offside against the goal scorer. On all three checks the VAR, Andy Madley, could not find conclusive evidence of an offence.

Arsenal as a club doubled down on their criticism of referee on Sunday, issuing a statement in support of Arteta.

The panel's findings, seen by ESPN, said on a 4-1 vote that "although Joelinton does have his hands on Gabriel, there isn't enough to award a foul as Gabriel had made an action to play the ball before any contact," while also upholding the view there wasn't enough proof to cancel the goal on the two factual offences.

However, the panel was unanimous that Kai Havertz should have been sent off for Arsenal in the 36th minute for his challenge on Sean Longstaff as it was "a very dangerous challenge and the type of tackle that needs to be eradicated" -- a decision which would have altered the direction of the game.

Bruno Guimarães' arm to the head of Arsenal's Jorginho in the 45th minute was also a missed red card, but on a split 3-2 decision.

The panel has five members, made up of three former players and/or coaches, plus one representative each from the Premier League and PGMOL. It was set up at the start of last season to give an independent assessment of decision-making rather than relying on the views of PGMOL or the clubs themselves. The judgement is intended to provide an arm's-length assessment of all major match incidents.

Elsewhere, the decision to award a mach-winning injury-time penalty to Sheffield United against Wolverhampton Wanderers was also unanimously viewed to be incorrect -- the second time the VAR has incorrectly failed to overturn a spot kick against Gary O'Neil's side in consecutive weeks.

All other refereeing decisions last weekend, including those in the Tottenham Hotspur vs. Chelsea game, were assessed as being correct."

Judging by this thread, Collina could come out in support of this, and Arsenal fans still wouldn't believe it.