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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 284 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (27 children)

AND he only did so after the "proper channel" for whistle blowing, his internal superiors, told him to shut the fuck up.

I feel this always needs to be said. The United States has a lot of slogans and posters about integrity and ethics for a nation that has neither in practice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/03/07/snowden-i-raised-nsa-concerns-internally-over-10-times-before-going-rogue/

[–] acutfjg@feddit.nl 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France

[–] takeda@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FlickOfTheBean@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

dhs

Well that makes more sense than the Obama admin coming up with it

Bout to say, I could have sworn I was hearing that well before Obama was president. That's a Bush admin slogan, isn't it?

[–] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think they had that phrase on WWII propaganda posters as well. More to do with potential espionage of enemy countries, though.

Edit: totally wrong, it was coined on Sept 12, 2001 by New York advertising executive Allen Kay.

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[–] moormaan@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago

Thanks for reiterating this and posting a source. Every time I see an article on Snowden year over year, someone brings up the tired old "argument" that because he is now trapped in Russia, that somehow makes everything he did "wrong", and invalidates everything he exposed the government for doing. The media campaign against him was apparently quite effective, and these soundbites are ever ready to jump out of people's mouths without any research or critical thinking.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 118 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Snowden is a textbook example of why organizations should not be allowed to police themselves or control the avenues of reporting misconduct.

There should be a memorial to him in DC. Ruined his life to tell the people what their elected officials are doing with all of the power we grant them.

But no, to save face, ego, etc we drove him into the willing arms of Putin to be able to use as a propaganda tool so he wouldn’t be killed for daring to speak truth to power.

Support for prosecuting him did untold damage to my opinion of Obama.

[–] infyrin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

America - where the truth is negotiable.

[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

And the hundreds of drone strikes.

[–] CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Same. Honestly, fuck Obama. He's not as bad as Trump, but he's still a corporate Democrat shill.

[–] infyrin@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh and make an out of the country exit plan ASAP before the country brands you as a traitor.

I still feel like Snowden is not a traitor. Especially where today, we have a political party that actively endorses and behaves in traitorous behavior towards the country in which they're to serve. Ironic.

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Snowden deserved Obamas pardon a lot more than Manning. I get the sense that Manning leaked stuff for the sake of leaking stuff, while Snowden uncovered a vast domestic and unconstitutional espionage program to which the general public was unaware.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Of course he's not a traitor. He exposed politicians who were actively violating the constitution. Those politicians are the traitors, traitors to American ideals and laws. At the very least, they're criminals.

[–] Refract@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Meme aside, I'm commenting to show appreciation for the correct use of quotation marks. Grammar nazi stamp of approval.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Grammar nazi stamp of approval."

This is a sentence fragment.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“If you see something suspicious “speak up” is correct usage?

[–] gullible@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the information but jeez that makes me feel uncomfortable for some reason.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's like the unclosed paren (but correct (craziness).

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[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This hurts my programmer soul, I'll start escaping quotation marks instead

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being a programmer finally won out over my writing background. For example, I know the rule in the US is to include punctuation inside the quotation marks, but I just can't do it anymore if the punctuation mark is not actually part of the quote. "The British do it right, in my opinion".

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 24 points 1 year ago

Ah, the old HR trap.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hope one day he will be able to come home a hero and not a criminal.

[–] gullible@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s no chance he’ll be allowed back in the US after, understandably, becoming a piece of the Russian propaganda pie. He’s basically trapped in Russia. On the bright side, it’s a gilded cage where he resides with his family.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not where I'd want to be right now.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia is great, for people useful to Putin.

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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not even an impossible task. We just need a President that actually loves what America professes to aspire to. It's what the Presidential pardon is for.

Any decade now...

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Not like that! Do it how we meant to say but couldn't quite bring ourselves to say publicly. The way that protects the military industrial complex and the corporations and the lobbyists and the government officials from any charge of mendacious greed.

My favourite moment of that era was when Obama told us he was just about to drop dime on all the spying and Snowden beat him to it. Dang it Snowden, now I gotta eat shit on live TV. The American state simply cannot be trusted whatsoever.

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