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[–] infyrin@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh and make an out of the country exit plan ASAP before the country brands you as a traitor.

I still feel like Snowden is not a traitor. Especially where today, we have a political party that actively endorses and behaves in traitorous behavior towards the country in which they're to serve. Ironic.

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Snowden deserved Obamas pardon a lot more than Manning. I get the sense that Manning leaked stuff for the sake of leaking stuff, while Snowden uncovered a vast domestic and unconstitutional espionage program to which the general public was unaware.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NSA being an angry little child with a napkin aside, I believe there was a legal hurdle to Snowden being pardoned: You need to be tried & sentenced before a presidential pardon can be applied, as far as I understood.

[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Surprisingly, that actually isn't required. Nixon was pardoned without even being indicted.

hmm - interesting. I thought this topic was debated when the orange turd was thinking about pardoning itself preemptively...

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Of course he's not a traitor. He exposed politicians who were actively violating the constitution. Those politicians are the traitors, traitors to American ideals and laws. At the very least, they're criminals.