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[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 67 points 11 months ago (2 children)

South Park is not a show to watch if you don't have skin of iron.

They go out of their way to offend as many people as possible, but I think they do so in a way that's indiscriminate. They even try to offend themselves.

[–] vis4valentine@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love South Park, but damn, the Mr Garrison trans episodes are just, ahhhhhhhhhggggggggggg.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 23 points 11 months ago (5 children)

So you are laughing when they make fun of others and only getting upset when they make fun of people like you.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ultimately the South Park moral comes down to change is bad. Let's keep the status quo.

And that's what I find offensive. To be fair, The Simpsons does the same thing, as does Family Guy

As does most society critical content that makes it to television.

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[–] vis4valentine@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm neurodivergent, and I laugh in many instances South Park made fun of neudivergent and mentally disabled people. I'm Latin American, South Park made fun of latin americans so many times. I'm progressive, South Park made fun of progressives so many times. I'm atheist, same thing. I'm bisexual, same thing, I could go on.

The problem with the Mr Garrison episodes is that, they are so viscerally transphobic, it is very obviously made in such bad faith.

Of course they are not the worse thing depicted in South Park, but yeah, a show with the objective to be as offensive as possible gotta hit somewhere in a very personal point eventually.

[–] Faydaikin@beehaw.org 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don't think anyone should take Mr. Garrison's arc to heart. They did kinda point out in an earlier episode that Mr. Garrison isn't what he thinks he is. He's not gay, trans or anything else in that direction.

He's messed up. And that's all he is and all he's supposed to be. At least that's my take-away from the show.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sadly, that's not enough, just as Jaws did damage to shark conservation and The Silence of the Lambs did damage to Trans acceptance, even though it's super clear Buffalo Bill is not conventionally trans but his own special kind of crazy.

Then again, our love for police procedurals and serial killer mysteries does damage to mental health awareness and police brutality awareness. Also judicial overreach. (Lots of false convictions.)

[–] Faydaikin@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

For sure. I was mostly hoping that people don't feel like the show makes a personal comparison to them.

The masses, on the other hand, require disturbingly little to push them over the edge. As you pointed out with Jaws and Silence. Hell, the amount of people that can't distinguish between actor and character is astounding.

[–] nobleart9932@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago

He’s messed up. And that’s all he is and all he’s supposed to be. At least that’s my take-away from the show.

This in and of itself is part of the problem: It's a common terf talking point. Trans people don't exist they just have a mental health problem.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

As is tradition.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Matt and Trey are the sort of shitpost wizards who'd be the coolest guys on some dead forum if they didn't happen to work for Paramount. They were doing the same transgressive edgelord nonsense fueling the best worst Flash animations on Newgrounds. They just did it on television.

It's important to recognize how things catch on when people are told "no." Busybodies insist video games are for children, so you get shocking excessive gore like Mortal Kombat. American distributors insist cartoons are for children, so you get a Christmas musical about a turd. Parents hound their kids about dial-up porn, so you get Rule 34. Suppress something widely-desired, and hey guess what, it doesn't just go away. Those kids grow up and do whatever they want.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Matt and Trey are the sort of shitpost wizards who'd be the coolest guys on some dead forum if they didn't happen to work for Paramount.

But they are on Paramount because they pioneered one of the most popular shows in TV history out of shitty cardboard cutouts.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They were in the industry the whole time. They didn't just show up with a 16mm test print and leave with Isaac Hayes' phone number. Orgazmo came out nearly the same day as South Park's premiere.

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[–] crypticthree@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Denise Bryson is on Twin Peaks being totally cool and never the butt of a joke

[–] stephfinitely@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love that agents Cooper try to understand her instead of freaking out.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Agent Dale Cooper is just that cool. Also Kyle MacLachlan is a super chill guy.

[–] crypticthree@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Also David Duchovny plays Denise as someone who's just doing their job with honestly and competence.

[–] BlackNo1@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

fix your hearts or die

[–] pooberbee@lemmy.ml 39 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I wanna say King of the Hill is safe.

[–] averyfalken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 11 months ago

I watch that show its actually pretty safe outside of that one weird episode where bill hits rock bottom and thinks he's his exwife though I don't really think of that one as transphonic per se

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's one episode with a drag queen, not trans. It's pretty positive! She thinks Peggy is also a drag queen and they become best friends. It ends that way too.

[–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

That was such a wholesome episode. Peggy ultimately didn't care when she found out. She was just happy to have a friend that she could relate to.

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[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Scrubs? That sucks. No episodes come to mind, do you happen to remember which one(s)?

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[–] haikunaaa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] DreadPirateShawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I though you said you were from Iran.

But seriously I don't think that episode was harmful.

Douglas is just a general asshole.

[–] DreadPirateShawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

The character is an asshole AND that episode is transphobic. More telling is the creator (Graham Linehan) who is a vocal TERF. I don't really want to pollute this space with his toxicity, but search if you're curious.

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Can you tell me what's transphobic about it?

When I first saw it I would have thought it was trans-supporting, other than the detail that (IIRC) the trans woman was played by a cisgender woman.

The entire point of it is that the only thing that is stopping Douglas from being genuinely, incredibly happy, becoming a better person and living an actually fulfilling life in the end is his inability to accept a historical detail that had made absolutely no difference to his relationship. And, since Douglas might be the worst person in the world, we see him destroy that because of his own weird machismo values. Just when we think he's completely changed as a character, his shittiness on this one thing, emblematic of his incredibly toxic masculinity, comes crashing down on him. This is, darkly, funny. We are abruptly reminded that Douglas is an actual monster, to the point of fist-fighting with the person he loves. "Character is briefly happy but previous behaviour and/or shittiness of their character ruins it for themselves" is like at like 30% of Linehan's sitcom plotlines.

If there's something I missed - and it's been a few years, and thoroughly agree that Linehan's subsequent behaviour justifies examining his previous work for ulterior motives - I would like to know it. Genuinely.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Nah I don't think so. Episode kinda got me a bit attracted to the female character ngl and I'm a hetero guy.

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[–] LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Caitlin Jenner deserves every minute of air time in South Park though. JS

[–] NoMoreLurking@startrek.website 4 points 11 months ago

Not to mention Randy and her music career

[–] Templa@beehaw.org 17 points 11 months ago

Twin Peaks is safe 🙏 Bless Denise

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Shout outs to Lily Simpson for showcasing just how bad these shows really are.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

getting back into arrested development and then getting to that episode

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The one where Bender becomes a woman bot to participate in the robot Olympics, I'm guessing? That one was kind of rough watching with modern sensibilities last time I recall, especially with all these recent trans people in sports debates. Also the one where they go to the planet where they switch genders. Is there any others I'm forgetting?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There's also the one where Bender is a pro wrestler, and becomes a cross-dressing heel. And there are recurring gags and side characters like the trans prostitutes. Overall, the show is fairly progressive, but some of those gags were problematic.

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[–] bi_tux@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's why I love Star Trek

[–] optissima@possumpat.io 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Instead it's an episode thats either racist (early TNG) or ablist… as a trek fan even I recognize these shortcomings. Also I'm pretty sure I remember a transphobic episode? Somewhere in voyager I think...

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I've seen sexism in early star trek before (like TOS), but I haven't seen much ableism or racism yet. Is there a specific part you are referencing?

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[–] nobleart9932@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago

of those American Dad is the only one I know has a non-transphobic trans episode. Namely the rollerderby one.

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