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[–] VariousWorldViews@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Eating the rich is by far the most eco-friendly approach as it can dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jeff bezos probably tastes like drywall and hooker spit.

[–] Uphillbothways@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Compost them first then you can eat the rich while also being vegan = Billions and billions of carbons.

[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hooker spit. Lol. Imagine Jeff Bezos paying you hundreds of thousands to spit on him while trying to hide the fact that, you would gladly do it for free.

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[–] PanaX@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I vehemently disagree with this statement.

We need to compost the rich and use that as a soil amendment to grow heirloom vegetables.

[–] Erk@cdda.social 3 points 1 year ago

One Elon musk can feed a family for a year.

One farm fertilized with musk mulch can feed a city block!

[–] r1veRRR@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, are actively working on this? Is your work on it so horrendously demanding of all your attention of every single day, that you couldn't ALSO go vegan, or vegetarian, or just eat less meat? Eat the rich is just a fun day dream and a lazy excuse to not do what you can (like going vegan).

Eating the rich would also vastly reduce racism, sexism, classism, and worker exploitation. Can I therefore ignore my negligible personal impact, and keep being racist, sexist, classist, and buy only the cheapest clothes crafted by the most exploited third world toddlers?

You sound like you are fun at parties. This was obviously a joke. Also, Why can't we do both?

[–] krayj@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

This crucially important caveat they snuck in there:

"Prof Scarborough said: “Cherry-picking data on high-impact, plant-based food or low-impact meat can obscure the clear relationship between animal-based foods and the environment."

...which is an interesting way of saying that lines get blurry depending on the type of meat diet people had and/or the quantity vs the type of plant-based diet people had.

Takeaway from the article shouldn't be meat=bad and vegan=good - the takeaway should be that meat can be an environmentally responsible part of a reasonable diet if done right and that it's also possible for vegan diets to be more environmentally irresponsible.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s both absolutely true and a massive distraction from the point. An environmentally friendly diet that includes meat is going to involve sustainable hunting not factory farming. In comparison an environmentally friendly vegan diet is staples of meat replacements and not trying to get fancy with it. It’s shit like beans instead of meat, tofu and tempeh when you feel fancy. It means rejecting substitutes that are too environmentally costly such as agave nectar as a sweetener (you should probably use beet or cane based sweetener instead).

So in short eat vegan like a poor vegan not like a rich person who thinks veganism is trendy

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[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

If I source my beef or lamb from low-impact producers, could they have a lower footprint than plant-based alternatives? The evidence suggests, no: plant-based foods emit fewer greenhouse gases than meat and dairy, regardless of how they are produced.

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Plant-based protein sources – tofu, beans, peas and nuts – have the lowest carbon footprint. This is certainly true when you compare average emissions. But it’s still true when you compare the extremes: there’s not much overlap in emissions between the worst producers of plant proteins, and the best producers of meat and dairy.

https://ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat

Plant-based foods have a significantly smaller footprint on the environment than animal-based foods. Even the least sustainable vegetables and cereals cause less environmental harm than the lowest impact meat and dairy products [9].

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/8/1614/htm

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[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

In this thread: Shit loads of people who will say they care about the climate crisis on one day, then say they don't care about the 18.5% of global carbon emissions that the meat industry causes the next day because they can't get over the decade worth of anti-veganism jokes and memes that they've constantly repeated uncritically.

Individual habits MUST be changed to solve this part of the problem, there is literally no way around that. Getting triggered and writing screeds because you've spent decades getting caught up in hate over food choices won't stop the planet burning.

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's insane how hard the cognitive dissonance hits. Everyone is trying to find excuses to justify their choices

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to be a smoker several decades ago and didn't defend smoking as hard as people defend meat.

[–] float@waveform.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people have made eating meat and making fun of vegans their entire personality. They buy things and spend time posting on social media about it. It is basically their hobby. Really sad, honestly.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think part of it is that, similar to console wars there's like a consumer choice loyalty thing. But on top of that there's also a resistance generated by the moral part. And that's all in addition to the usual resistances to change.

[–] Noedel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope, gotta blame "the cooperations" because God forbid you admit cooperations only pollute because of your own demand.

Animal agriculture is a particularly good example here because literally nothing will ever make meat sustainable (except growing it in a lab).

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[–] AnotherLlama@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

A couple of people have spoken to me before about wanting to cut back on, or completely cut meat from their diets, but didn't know where to start. If anyone reading this feels the same way, here's some fairly basic recipies that I usually recommend (Bosh's tofu curry is straight up one of the best currys i've ever had - even my non-vegan family members love it)

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Tofu is also super versatile and is pretty climate-friendly. there's a bazillion different ways to do tofu, but simply seasoning and pan frying some extra/super firm tofu (like you do with chicken) with some peppers and onions, for fajitas, is an easy way to introduce yourself. Here's a little guide for tofu newbies: A Guide to Cooking Tofu for Beginners - The Kitchn. If you wanna level up your tofu game with some marinades here's six.

Lentils and beans are also super planet friendly, super cheap, and super versatile! You'll be able to find recipies all over that are based around lentils and beans so feel free to do a quick internet search.

Sorry for the huge, intimidating wall of text! I do hope someone interested in cutting back on meat found this useful though :)

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[–] MelonTheMan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Tax meat, subsidize healthy meat alternatives.

[–] Anemia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Could start by removing subsidies.

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[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

"study finds eating meat is bad"

no sh*t

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was just talking about this idea with a friend. We decided it would be political suicide in the US for anyone to suggest eating less meat.

People would literally rather see the world burn than give up their chicken nuggets.

I'm not even hardcore vegetarian. I looked at the situation and agreed it's hard to ethically justify eating meat. So I started eating less. I'm down to pretty much just "sometimes I get a pizza slice with a meat topping if there's nothing good without meat". Maybe I'll cut that out too one day.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If you could tell the average American, with 100% certainty and undeniable proof that going vegan for a month would save the lives of 1,000 children, they would go out, buy as much meat as possible and eat it smugly in front of you and ask you repeatedly if it's triggering you.

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[–] PlantbasedChe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes. Power abuse over suposed inferior species. It is "yummie" for doers

Well that's no surprise. Raising animals for meat is horribly inefficient compared to plants.

[–] bossito@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I upvoted because this message still didn't reach everyone, but I guess it's just that people are in denial.. like, isn't this obvious? And weren't there already dozens of studies proving it?

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