Apple: only implements a proprietary graphics API
Also Apple: Why does no one make games for my platform??
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Luckily it plays on Apple Silicon Macs beautifully through CrossOver. In the MacGaming sub users are getting 100+fps.
It does, but Valve doesn't spend money in taking any responsibility over it. Also I presume anticheat might not work properly.
In any scenario, the translation layer has a performance impact which for any competitive player is something that makes Apple a no-go.
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Is this true? Could I not do OpenGL on a Mac?
They ship an outdated and unreliable implementation 😅 There are things that use it, but my understanding is you couldn't use it in the same way you can on other platforms.
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So...how long before Apple realizes that game devs are notoriously time-crunched and forcing them to target yet another proprietary graphics API is a stupid move for their gaming ambitions?
I'm not convinced they'll ever realize the problem with their strategy. They'll keep half-assing it every couple of years and wondering why they don't have a larger gaming audience.
It's because they're addicted to their walled gardens. Everything within Apple's ecosystem must be tightly overseen and controlled, with little exception.
Yeah, they keep trying to bring their walled-garden approach to gaming and it just won't work. It's like trying to build another console in the current gaming market and unrealistically expecting it to take off.
It's also why I think the Vision Pro, despite how cool and innovative the tech might be, is also DOA.
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Was CS:GO available natively on Mac? If so, this is unfortunate news for the small subset of Mac users who played, since CS:GO is now no more.
Available, yes. Playable, greatly depends on how much GPU you bought with your Mac.
That’s true for windows as well
Cs:go could definitely run will enough on integrated graphics to play comp if your processor wasn't too anemic.
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Honestly? Kinda hate cs2. It runs worse (3080ti btw), most of my smoke grenades no longer work, they removed team deathmatch, they removed short competitive matches, and you can no longer play csgo. The more I play the less I'm a fan
I get the feeling it was pushed out before everything was ready. I am willing to bet that all these missing features are coming later. Not sure why they didn't just wait before pushing out the game. The smokes are just different, players just need to adapt to new mechanics instead of using the same grenade tactics that they've memorized for years.
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I think much missing stuff is going to be coming. I think they just didn't want to delay CS2 any longer. CSGO is still playable from the properties panel. You can enable a legacy CSGO mode. Not sure about matchmaking though.
On my 3060ti with max everything I always have over 200 fps, but yes, definitely not as fast as CSGO still. What fps are you getting?
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I think everyone would rather development effort for games go into Linux as opposed to macOS.
As a Mac user, I’m fine with this tbh. I don’t game on my Mac and most people I know with one don’t either.
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Wow you guys hate apple more than I do and I really think they're overpriced but okay hard and software for people with other needs. The apple users I know don't really think about gaming at all, wondering how many seriously do.
The hatred has nothing to do with the products but the lack of participation in open standards like OpenGL or Vulkan.
Their products are incredibly well made (though I'd fuckin hope so given the pricing) and their software experience (barring the lack of good graphics API support) is quite nice.
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It will probably work soon with that Windows compatibility thing apple is working on
You mean repackaged Wine that they're pretending to have invented? Yeah should do.
Really just repackaged Proton, with some ridiculous install requirements including fucking Homebrew.
It's not even Alpha level software right now. But, just to argue their side: it is meant as a preview for game developers to package their games with right now, and not the general public.
Still... Fucking Homebrew.
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The one that explicitly states in its license that you're not allowed to ship anything using it?
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And there's nothing wrong with this. While I'd love to see companies develop games that run on all of the main three OSes, there is cost involved. And Valve determined that cost to be too high to worry with. This doesn't mean Macs suck, it just means Macs are not a viable gaming platform for some companies and some games.
Imagine if we saw reason instead of simply adding ourselves to the "Macs suck" bandwagon. What a world that would be -- with logic and reason and understanding. Nah, just pissing on things is better.
Is there a Proton-like software for Mac?
Wine is available for Mac, and Apple has started work on their game toolkit which was shown to run cyberpunk (albeit not well)
So yeah, but you're probably better off just dual booting asahi tbh.
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