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Democrats didn't release it because it doesn't just hurt Republicans, it hurts Democrats and the rich.
Republicans won't release it because it doesn't just hurt Democrats, it hurts Republicans and the rich.
The Catholic Church keeps its own list; no need to meddle.
What we're seeing here with Epstien is all the cross party collaboration we desperately crave, but instead of fixing something useful, like the opiod crisis, or homelessness, it's to let abusers go unpunished.
They literally just voted differently and you’re trying to pretend they’re the same? What the fuck is wrong with you, are you slow?
They literally just had 4 years to release them. It's not like the idea of this list is brand new.
Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested during the first Trump administration. No list release. She was tried and sentenced during the Biden administration. No list release. Now we're back to Trump.
Not slow, correct.
The most important thing here is not to get caught that you are the same... And quietly or instinctively support your friends. :3
Not exactly. We all saw how the recent votes went.
That'd be more compelling if the previous Administration hadn't sat on it too.
The previous administration didn't use the release of the files as a cornerstone of their campaign.
What about ism at it's finest.
Dems voted to release, right voted against. That's a pretty clear picture.
It's a shame it being the right thing to do isn't reason enough though isn't it?
"We're not going to go after sex traffickers and child rapists because we didn't promise we would."
"We didn't promise to make an extraordinary release of evidence to the public for PR reasons"
This proposed release isn't even the 'right thing' to do, it's just yet another thing that the GOP promised and pulled back on because they realized it might hurt them - in this case, might hurt them because probably a few of their higher ups or donors are on that list.
Just want to confirm here, you're saying that going after sex traffickers and child rapist isn't the right thing to do?
Just want to confirm here, you’re saying that going after sex traffickers and child rapist isn’t the right thing to do?
I'm saying the release of the files to the public isn't 'going after' sex traffickers and child rapists.
I disagree. I think if they made those lists public it would be impossible not to go after them. Not by everyone mind you, but some people would. Whether it's just ambitious young prosecutors or Mobs with pitchforks. I don't really care either way. Certainly it's going after the more than anything that has been done so far.
However and I want to say this again the Biden Administration didn't go after a single person. I don't care how much you hate Donald Trump you shouldn't defend that. They're all protecting pedophiles. That's not okay. The idea that political blinders causes you to justify that is a problem. Children shouldn't have to be raped with impunity so that your team wins. This Thread has been eye opening in an extremely depressing way for me.
I disagree. I think if they made those lists public it would be impossible not to go after them. Not by everyone mind you, but some people would. Whether it’s just ambitious young prosecutors or Mobs with pitchforks. I don’t really care either way. Certainly it’s going after the more than anything that has been done so far.
Ambitious young prosecutors now dealing with the very credible issue that the most anti-pedophile potential jurors are now easy targets for dismissal during jury selection by the defense team for the issue of pre-existing bias by release of evidence related to the case?
However and I want to say this again the Biden Administration didn’t go after a single person.
Would you like to remind me which administration locked up Ghislaine Maxwell?
I think it was pretty clear I'm talking about the clients. Though if you'll remember going after Maxwell somehow didn't involve discussing her clients. That was hidden during their going after her. Which is interesting isn't it?
Dealing with potential bias from jurors is a part of the legal system. One they've dealt with many times in many ways. This isn't the 1800s. The news exists. TVs exist. Computers exist. The Internet exists. It's not a new problem . It's not something that is impossible to deal with. So that's just a completely fallacious argument. And frankly if for some reason they couldn't do it because of that well that's what the pitchforks are for.
I think it was pretty clear I’m talking about the clients. Though if you’ll remember going after Maxwell somehow didn’t involve discussing her clients. That was hidden during their going after her. Which is interesting isn’t it?
Are you being fucking serious right now.
Dealing with potential bias from jurors is a part of the legal system. One they’ve dealt with many times in many ways. This isn’t the 1800s. The news exists. TVs exist. Computers exist. The Internet exists. It’s not a new problem . So that’s just a completely fallacious argument.
Yes, and questioning jurors about their exposure to media evidence relevant to the case is a very well known way of weeding out people who've been influenced by public exposure of cases before they go to trial by the defense.
And frankly if for some reason they couldn’t do it because of that well that’s what the pitchforks are for.
Oh, like the 'pitchforks' that came out the last time people were credibly linked to Epstein, during the Biden administration, no less? How did that fucking go, again?
Christ.
So it's just your contention that trials are impossible in the Modern Age? That nothing that's been covered by the media can ever be brought to trial? That's really where you are here? That's why we can't prosecute pedophiles and sex traffickers? Really?
No, my contention is that making evidence public before a trial is damaging to any attempts to prosecute people on the strength of that particular evidence, and thus making evidence public as a publicity stunt is not an action meaningfully 'going after' the people implicated by that evidence
The fuck is this bothsides shite, Jesus fucking Christ.
I'm not going as far as saying that all are "protecting pedophiles" and I am usually very critical of the "both sides" argument, but in this case, we have evidence that "both sides" have at least connections with Epstein, with names showing in logs of the so called "Lolita Express". I think that there is no doubt that in this case, people with connections with "both sides" of the US political spectrum, may be on the line here, and at the very least were complicit in turning a blind eye, which is not as egregious as actively hide, but still morally reprehensible!
The DNC is not out here protecting pedophiles at present.
There are Dems who were involved in Epstein's pedophile ring, certainly.
But this is not a matter of policy, and when Dems are making efforts to release the evidence wrt Epstein, saying that they're 'protecting pedophiles' along with the GOP, which is overwhelmingly blocking the attempt even after previously promising to release the evidence is utter braindead "bothsides" shite.
Yes I agree with you... Can't tell you how much I have argued with my fellow members in the LGBTQ+ community over the dumbass comments Chapell Roan or whatever is her name made just prior to the election. I think there are certainly reasons to why democrats should be criticized, but the "bothsidism" is just a false equivalence.
She "supported" Harris but declined to "endorse" her if memory serves.
Less bad than the alternative of staying silent, but bizarre in the face of literal fascism.
Not that it ultimately made a difference, of course. Even Taylor Swift's fanbase wasn't enough, it would seem.
She only released a message later on, after the huge backlash she received, for the interview she gave. She stated she would not endorse any party but would vote for Harris. I don't have any issue if she is not endorsing anyone, she has no obligation to. But considering she's a role model and an idol for many in the LGBTQ+ community and specially trans folks, I found her "both sides" comment idiotically stupid and cognitively dissonant. That's what pissed me off. Now, LGBTQ+ folks, are seeing the result of that "bothsidism".
Also why I kinda disconnected myself from US politics... I look at memes, laugh and that's it! I no longer have the mental bandwidth to have discussions with people that think that defending such comments are in any way conductive to progress their own rights.
Hi, welcome to Lemmy.
What specifically has the DNC done to protect pedophiles?
Those that are in power could just legalize it and there would be nothing we could do. They don't seem to care about the will of the people any other time.
The way i imagine it, if they legalized it, most people would complain a lot.
So they want things to stay peaceful (or the illusion thereof) without making much noise. So they do it in secret. Does that make sense?
I think doing the most depraved heinous illegal shit is part of the appeal for them. It really drives home that they are above the law.
If they would legalize it, the same could be done to their children and then they will not find it so funny anymore.
Exactly. Remember they’re pushing for age verification and/or shutting down porn sites. Their fetish is power
The problem is that their enforcers have no humanity (never have, they're literally the cultural descendants of the slave patrols, lol), their supportive communities maybe a tiny bit more but not by much, and those two groups constitute a plurality, if not a majority, of the US.
"We've" been telling everyone about this for years, while the rest of the world suffered America, its Western European vassals and Israel. But with the rise of multipolarity/multinodality, it's just more feasible and financially convenient for the American ruling classes to pillage, rob and subdue at home.
When it says "THE" Church, you know it means the One True Holy and Catholic Church
And JW and LDS...
Don't ask about their right arm workout routine either.