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i love how woke has almost become a seal of approval at this point
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Well obviously it's always been woke, it's FOSS after all, but a decade ago I felt like it was ok to use it without being a transfem and now I'm no longer sure lmao
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY SPACE COMMUNISM !!!!!
The whole internet used to be woke, it was full of counterculture people, freaks and geeks looking for communities, the same people who were on BBSes the years before, it was a diverse group of weirdos on the fringes at the time.
That and Nazis.
I miss it still.
Not sure the whole internet was woke, the nazis and pedophiles have been here for quite a while too. But they were on the fringe and shunned by the larger internet culture until relatively recently. Trump started courting the votes of the worst side of the internet. Then the pandemic brought a bunch of "normies" online whose brains weren't ready for the culture shock, and rather than accepting the freaks and geeks, they decided the nazis were the normal ones.
I think they always have been there and certainly not on the fringes.
Take this question about "stormfront" for instance from reddit nine years ago.
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskEurope/comments/45krzb/why_do_many_of_the_european_subreddits_seem_like/
This has been well before the pandemic and even before Trumps presidential bid. But also before corporate social media being dominant i remember being exposed to self identifying nazis in video games around the time when facebook was mostly farmville invitations.
Once the Nazis realized the power of corporate social media and its algorithms and the corporations realized the money they can make with peddling hate-speech, it became more present, but it always was there and certainly not shunned away to the fringes.
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how woke has almost become a seal of approval at this point
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Woke basically means having empathy. More specifically I'd say it's trying to make things less unfair for groups that aren't treated fairly.
No wonder the conservatives treat it like an insult.
Woke literally means aware of systemic injustice, right? I mean originally. And SJW literally means someone who will fight for social justice (equity).
These are all objectively good things.
Wake up sheeple! But dont be woke....
Pretty much everything good and decent is now "woke" lol. people say woke like it's a bad thing but they're just telling on themselves. proud to be woke
Same with hacker culture. Woke and Gay is the fertile ground in which creativity, mischief and awesomeness grows.
Hacker culture sometimes seems split down the middle between trans catgirls and right wing incels.
The Industry versus The Community
Our community is queer as fuck, and proud of being inclusive. The Industry sells all the software and services, with a layer of middle management and rock star types, smoothing over the queer as hell technical underbelly
Be gay. Do (cyber)crime.
Whilst I disagree that it is or was gay (or straight, or bi, or whatever sexual orientation - as far as I can tell the community is just a slice of the broader world in that), I totally agree that the Free Software community has always been what some nowadays call "woke".
It's really just the "live and let live", "don't hurt your fellow human beings" and "share rather than hoard" principles of the community, that both make people share their work and their knowledge and be tolerant of others in those things (the intolerance is reserved for people who use the "wrong" editor or programming language!), which in the meanwhile the Identitarian Wars in the US ended up labeling "woke", maybe because over there the politicians weaponizing such matters to avoid talking about Wealth Inequality couldn't simply call it "Leftwing".
Whilst I disagree that it is or was gay
Its 'Gay' in the sense that we accept people for who they are and don't judge people based on irrelevant factors, which bigots will inevitability call 'Gay'. As a straight Cis man, I'm proud to stand with my 'Gay' homies. If that scares certain bigots away from the community- Bonus!
I also believe in Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Anarcho-Communism ™, so yeah, call me all the things fascists hate- it's literally fuels my fire.
That's just being a decent person.
There is no need to drag in the Identity Wars and the insane takes on very specifc human traits such as sexual orientation from those, into what has nothing to do with it.
Those who also care for others rather than just themselves do good things - that's open source in a nutshell. As it so happens, in the very narrow subset of human thinking which is the Identity Wars, that means they tend to side with those who don't want to hurt others merely for who they were born as.
There is no need to drag in the Identity Wars and the insane takes on very specifc human traits such as sexual orientation from those, into what has nothing to do with it.
I'm not sure what 'insane takes' you are referring to. I don't think 'being a decent person' equates to an 'insane take'. I also don't think anyone is trying to start a 'war' either. I think they are just tired of being made to feel ashamed to be who they are and refuse to play along with that any longer. If other people can't handle that and want to "go to war" with LGBTQ people over their identity- that's on them.
I didn't come up with the whole "Linux is Gay" thing and you are right it doesn't really correlate, but if 'gay' people can bond over FLOSS and feel like they belong in the Community- I think that's fantastic and I welcome them. I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to make the distinction. Literally who is it hurting?
Again, if certain people are turned away from Linux because it's perceived as being 'gay', those aren't the kind of people I care to associate with in the first place. If they want to go off and make their own "Straight Cis Hetero No-Homo Linux Club" more power to them. I'll happily hang out with the 'Gay' Linux homies instead.
The "insane take" is the idea that sexual orientation is some extraordinary human characteristic which defines a person.
A non-insane take is that it's just a normal human trait whose effects are mainly limited to a few domains (or would be, if there weren't so many morons around presuming things about and treating people differently depening on their sexual orientation).
Only a nutter would think that, say the color of one's eyes or the size of one's feet make somebody a better or a worse person and, as I see it that's exactly the same for sexual orientation: outside the context of chosing romantic and sexual partners, sexual orientation is a totally irrelevant thing and having a positive or negative opinion on somebody based on their sexual orientation is about as rational as having it based on the size of their feet.
In my eyes the politics of treating sexual orientation abnormally amongst human traits, and dragging it into all sorts of contexts were it is irrelevant, is just an hypocrite distration from actually addressing those things that mater for the quality of life of most people, which is why this shit is so popular in the profoundly broken political systems of places like the US and the UK.
The “insane take” is the idea that sexual orientation is some extraordinary human characteristic
Do you really think that the people memeing about Linux being 'gay' are implying that they are "extraordinary" and that they are better than others because of their sexual orientation? Are you so disconnected from the world at large that you honestly think that is a possibility?
Only a nutter would think that, say the color of one’s eyes or the size of one’s feet make somebody a better or a worse person and, as I see it that’s exactly the same for sexual orientation
Well, that's the thing isn't it? If everyone minded their own business and didn't judge other people based on their sexual orientation, then I'm quite certain no one would feel the need to ever mention it outside of the context of choosing a romantic partner. But that isn't the case is it? 'Recent' history is chock full of people judging others because of their sexuality.
For at least two centuries people have murdered, jailed, beat, persecuted, discriminated against and generally treated 'gay' people like like second class citizens or wicked deviants. Now that it's somewhat safe to be openly gay in certain places, is it really so surprising that they are open and 'proud' of it?
By 'Proud' I do not mean that they think it's extraordinary or that it makes them better than anyone else, I mean they recognize the fact that it IS normal and that they refuse to be ashamed because of it or hide it like they used to have to. It's also a way to show solidarity with other people like them and build communities that support and help each other fight against such bigotry.
Consider the fact that Billions of people still have religions and/or viewpoints that say it's immoral and sinful for 'gay' people to be who they are.
In my eyes the politics of treating sexual orientation abnormally amongst human traits, and dragging it into all sorts of contexts were it is irrelevant, is just an hypocrite distration from actually addressing those things that mater for the quality of life of most people.
I don't see how it's 'hypocritical' for someone to meme about Linux being 'gay', but whatever.
which is why this shit is so popular in the profoundly broken political systems of places like the US and the UK.
It must be nice to live in a Utopian society where no one is judged because of superficial characteristics beyond their control and all forms of bigotry were abolished long, long ago. Where is that btw? For the rest of us, we do have to live in 'profoundly broken' places where idiots and bigots make a big deal out of such things. And it's hardly just the US or the UK, try going to Afghanistan or Sudan, Yemen, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somaliland or Nigeria and proclaim in public that you are LGBT or Q, see how enlightened they are about it.
Mate, you're basically justifying your own obcession with a specific human trait, by there having existed and existing bad people who are obcessed with it and have done and do bad things using it as a justification.
In other words; you're accepting the hierarchy of importance and relevance of human traits which the bad people have and then just saying you're going in the opposite direction - in other words, you claim to reject their actions yet stay within the same framework of prejudice that they defined
It's not exactly wise to try and counter bad people within the rules of the game they themselves defined. Thinking people figure out when they're children that it's not smart to play a game against those who make the rules of the game whilst staying within the rules they made.
I, on the other hand totally reject their framing and prejudiced, reductive take on people, and think those who follow it are "insane" and "morons".
That doesn't stop me from being against injustices being commited against people by those justifying it using such reductive framings of the human nature, because I'm against ALL injustice as a broader principle, quite independently of whatever insane framing those committing the injustices are using to try and justify their actions - accepting the aggressor's "logical" framing in order to counter-argument within that framing is not a requirement for siding with the victims, it's not even an effective form of siding with the victims because by trying to counter-argument within that framing you are accepting the framing, thus risk prolonging the injustice.
You never did say where this Utopian paradise you live in is located. I would honestly love to hear about this society that has completely solved racism and bigotry forever. Perhaps people in profoundly broken societies can learn your example.
Mate, you’re basically justifying your own obcession with a specific human trait, by there having existed and existing bad people who are obcessed with it and have done and do bad things using it as a justification.
WTF, lol. No, I am in no way "obcessed". You don't have to be obsessed to have a modicum of empathy for people who have been and are still are being oppressed. I'm also not 'justifying' anything, I don't feel like I have done anything that requires justification. Having compassion for my fellow humans is nothing I need to justify to you or anyone else.
In other words; you’re accepting the hierarchy of importance and relevance of human traits which the bad people have and then just saying you’re going in the opposite direction - in other words, you claim to reject their actions yet stay within the same framework of prejudice that they defined.
I'm not at all sure how you got that from my comment, but that is a crazy take. Especially considering how I already spelled it out in explicit detail. Once again, since you seem to have missed it, being LGBTQ doesn't make you "extraordinary" or "better than" anyone else. I lack the vocabulary to explain it in any more clearly than that.
I don't rank anyone based on their superficial characteristics. I'm actually an Anarchist because I don't believe in hierarchy at all, much less one based around characteristics that are beyond peoples control. Just because I show love and compassion for a group of people who have been and continue to be marginalized and discriminated against, doesn't imply I think they are better than anyone else ffs. I'm not sure if you have ever heard of the concept of 'equality' but you should look it up sometime. ALL people deserve to be respected as human beings, regardless of their superficial characteristics.
because I’m against ALL injustice as a broader principle
You are against injustice, but the people who have experienced injustice should shut the fuck up about it and never mention it in any context other than a very narrow and specific circumstance that you as a person privileged enough not to have to suffer such indignities dictate because you find it 'distracting'. Do I understand you correctly?
How about this: my way of thinking is how people think about the subject in The Netherlands, the most tolerant nation in Europe and for example the first to legalize gay marriage (in fact one of my English colleagues when I lived there had moved there exactly to be able to tie the knot with his partner, as it was still not legal in Britain back then).
Their whole take on sexual orientations is that "it's all normal" and it works spectacularly well: this is a country were the first really successful Far-Right Leader of this century - Pim Furtijn - was overtly and openly gay since the very start and nobody batted an eye about it - were else in the World would the leader of the god damned Far-Right be gay and nobody cares and he's very successful?
Meanwhile what I've seen when I lived there in places like Britain which practice the Identity Politics take on this is a neverending fight.
Learning about open-source and GIMP in the early days and spiraling into searches about leather daddies made me a little gay.
as someone who participates in the Arch forums/IRC etc...it's been "woke and gay" for a long, long, time now. I mean shit if you don't have your own pair of knee/thigh high socks are you even a real Arch user?
I was already woke and gay, but since I've moved to arch I'm trans and into anime.
This reminds of that time we got a new sysadmin at one of my old jobs who was this young trans girl fresh out of college. She was outclassing the department lead left and right and he'd come to me everyday complaining about the "he-she" who was going to take his job and how he remembers when the world was "normal" and that's why we need Trump and other aggrieved old white man nonsense.
He lasted only a few more weeks after it mysteriously came to HRs attention that he was a transphobic shithead. I hate it when bigots think I'm a safe space for their bullshit because I look like a fatter Kerry King from Slayer.
That didn't even occur to me
This just makes me want to be even more woke and gay
I'm gonna wake up to gay porn on full blast every day and no one can stop me! Never gonna sleep again, I'll be so woke!
Yassssss queen fuck it uppppppppp
Boggles my mind at how many people hate gay/bi people. I'd kill to be bi, imagine getting twice the shots of meeting your ideal person. Sign me the fuck up.
Naw you just end up getting rejected twice as much ಥ_ಥ
Damn, it's the same picture
It's a result of American brainrot. Once the world cuts off their toxic culture we'll be better off.
So it once was, so it shall be
The negative sentiment will grow in paid media articles because corporations start to get hurt by something that was not a threat before. Something that they can't fight with their tools like price dumping or lawyers.
Never forget Harambe
The right calls everything they hate or find threatening "woke" because they can't use "Degenerate" anymore without people thinking back to High School History class.
Give it one or two years. They're already doing Hitler salutes in public.
Must’ve missed the comments that drove this response? Never heard of FOSS/Linux being woke.
Well it's not technically the main focus of FLOSS, but consider that that it was invented to work around the failings of Capitalism. The whole idea of Software Freedom goes against the Capitalist ideals of "Put a price tag on anything and everything you possibly can".
I think what has happened is that as more marginalized people have 'woke' to the fact that Capitalism is oppressing them just as much as the Patriarchy, the 'Libre' aspects of FLOSS has become more appealing to them.
It probably wasn't the intention of Linus Torvalds to create 'woke' software, but by following the principles of the Free Software movement, he did it anyway. Though I think even he might be coming around :)
It's more nuanced than that. I would characterize a significant portion of FLOSS philosophy and participants as "libertarianism" (in the US politics sense).
On LGBTQ issues, they seem to be compatible with "gay and communism", but a litmus test would be whether a member would support the use of FLOSS for
- Large companies' profits (e.g. AWS)
- Military suppliers (e.g. Palantir, Anduril)
Interpreting the licences in their literal text would mean that the above are not only allowed, but in fact part of the "liberty" the license aims to protect.
The tragedy is that lots of "gay and communism" participants will find themselves betrayed by the libertarian elements once an actual choice appears in reality, such as when people try to "patch" the movement with Code of Conduct.
The problem, in my opinion, roots in the tendencies of the founding members towards "tech neutrality". This is turn is a result of the US hippie movement's ideology of "no ideology".
I disagree. Yes, "Libertarians" are supposedly "Socially Liberal", making them compatible with 'gay', but Libertarians are also 100% Capitalist in every sense of the word, making them not at all compatible with 'communism' in any way, shape or form. "Free/Libre Software" is as anti-capitalist as it's possible for software to get. It goes against everything Libertarians stand for.
I don't really care if FLOSS gets used for Corporate profits or the Military Industrial Complex, not because I support those things (I don't), but because I believe in actual freedom, not a vague concept of freedom. Software is a tool (when it's not art), and like any tool it can be used for good or evil. I can take a hammer and build you a house with it or bash in your skull.
I think it's futile to give people tools and then expect them to not use them in ways we don't like. How would that even work, the 'honor' system? The only thing we can really do is give people tools and then try to educate them on how and why to use them in a way consistent with our ideals and hope they follow.
Sure a "Libertarian" might use FLOSS, but not because it's compatible with their ideals, but because it's 'Free' as in Beer. A capitalist will cut corners in any way they possibly can, even if it means using 'commie' software.
At the end of the day so-called "Libertarians" are hypocrites who will do or say whatever they have to in order to get their way. For example they claim to not use violence to achieve their political goals, but that is a lie. They will happily use the violence of the state to protect their 'pirate property'. You will not find a single "Libertarian" who thinks it was wrong to drop nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They just don't want violence used on them.
A prime example of this is the 'Tea Party'. It started out as a "Libertarian" movement. Ya know, the 'small government' party who is 'socially liberal' and believes in 'free trade'. It quickly morphed into the group that put Trump into office, with an 'authoritarian far-right' ideology that believes in 'mercantilism'. Because the truth is while they may personally be Ok with you being gay, they care far more about Capitalists and their agenda than anything related to social justice.
Sorry for the rant, I've just been down that road myself and made an ass out of myself before smelling the coffee. I refuse to let "Libertarians" reform themselves in peoples eyes. It's a self contradictory ideology. It's political philosophy for 5th graders.
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