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Statement on Stop Killing Games - VIDEOGAMES EUROPE (www.videogameseurope.eu)
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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist Nanny State BS. If someone runs a private server, it's their responsibility to moderate it.

and would leave rights holders liable. No it wouldn't.

In addition, many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only Unreal Tournament games are online or multiplayer only games. Even though Epic shut down the master servers, you can modify the .ini file to redirect to a community server. "Online-only" translates to predatory monetization models.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

lol. Games like The Crew aren’t super hard to be turned into a single player game. Nobody is asking them to add a 20 hour single player campaign with a fleshed out storyline. Just add bots and open up the game to be driven around in without an online connection.

[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Just release the server code. nothing new has to be created. The industries claim of being liable for user content in this scenario is just bull

[–] Shayeta@feddit.org 5 points 1 hour ago

Not even code, just the binaries and pre-baked libs. They already have those.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Don’t even need to release the code. Just the server binary of the game.

[–] iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

“Just add bots”

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 29 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

... as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist...

There are third party options for this.

... and would leave rights holders liable.

Liable for what? A service everyone knows they're no longer providing? Are car manufacturers still liable for 50 year old rusty cars people still drive? Can Apple today be held liable for a software vulnerability in the Lisa or the Mac II?

In addition, many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.

Then don't design games that way. Don't make games like these. This is good news, actually.

[–] Toga65@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It's crazy how they act like no one else could run a server for a live service game.

We used to fucking buy and rent servers to game on our own private servers.

Its wild how this disappeared and all server structure just got consolidated into shit like AWS and Azure.

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Minecraft, the game that sold the most copies in history, has a huge infrastructure of community-hosted servers, some with tens of thousands of players playing at the same time. The community has created different flavors of the server software, optimized it, added mod support and even reprogrammed parts of it.

At this point, it's hard for me to believe how someone could say a community can't run game servers with a straight face.

[–] Toga65@lemmy.world 3 points 14 minutes ago

The whole "ITS A LIVE SERVICE IT CANT JUST BECOME SINGLE PLAYER" argument fundamentally misses every single easy point about community hosted servers.

It's the most prevalent, and also most stupid argument I keep seeing pop up.

[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I agree, the liability for user content in community hosted games is just pure bullshit excuses.

online-only is not bad, some mechanics just work like that. that's totally fine. Just release the server code when you don't want to host any more.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

I know. I like online content as well. Some of the games I spent the most hours in (Warframe, Helldivers 2) are these kinds of games. But if a corpo lobbying group is forcing the choice between "Enshittified always online" or "never any online content ever anymore" I'll choose the latter.

[–] Ksin@lemmy.world 38 points 7 hours ago

Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable

Straight fucking lie, the ones liable are the uploader and the host, which after official support ends is no longer the rights holders.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

So...here's the thing, folks: What you're REALLY going to have to do is stop buying live service video games.

If I understand this, it is a petition to get the EU government to look into maybe thinking about making some laws to...do something about live service games becoming unplayable when the servers shut down. Okay, here's how that's going to go: "We looked into it and decided not to do anything."

Has anyone tried...not buying the damn games in the first place? If you pay for these games knowing that the soulless reptilian cloacal slits that run the AAA industry can just shut down servers whenever they want, YOU are the problem.

[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You are basically saying that consumer protection is useless, as consumers should protect themselves.

That would be true if all consumers would have the time and understanding to be perfectly informed all the time, which is not realistic.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works -1 points 51 minutes ago

If the population at large is too stupid to make healthy video game purchasing decisions, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for protections to come from the representatives they elected.

I can see a stack of ways that this isn't going to work:

  • The government looks at the petition and says "No we're not going to consider that."
  • The government says "We've considered that and decided to do nothing."
  • The government pulls an EU and the solution they come up with is to make every video game published everywhere in the world force the user to agree to the EULA every time the game launches, prompting a slew of "EULA auto-accept" mods to work around the annoying thing you now have to constantly click.
  • The government puts in a law that's written decently. The industry, particularly those parts based outside the EU such as Japan and North America, ignore it, and shut down servers when they damn well please.

But let's indulge in the fantasy that democracy works for a minute and Stop Killing Games becomes a law that works perfectly as intended. The publishers will find some other way to be shifty greedy fuckpukes. Case in point: Live service games just shutting down their servers whenever they want is 100% legal right now. The government currently is not protecting consumers. It never truly will. The shadiness of business will always outrun government protection, 100% of the time.

I still maintain, if you continue to pay for live service games, you're the problem.

[–] Toga65@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I mean having devs turn over the games to players after they cease development is not crazy at all.

Live service games can still absolutely be playable once development has ceased.

Anyone can run a server.

Stop killing games is a no brainer initiative

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sure. I remember when Id Software released Doom as open source. They had just released Quake II earlier that month, Doom was old news and not really a money maker for the company, so they opened the source code to let the community play with it. That was a cool thing to do, it should be done more often.

I would say yeah, you should build a game in such a way that it can be played once its abandoned. The greed vampires who are actually in charge won't let a law like that be passed. Or if it is, they'll ignore it.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Doom, Build Engine games, Marathon. I can still play those games, but even if Bungie faux-Marathon ever comes out, I wouldn't be able to play it after a few years. One of the biggest turnoffs to these As-A-Service games is time limited events. I don't want to feel nostalgic for something and not be able to replay it. Between the discussions on Hell Divers II events and the Sony fuckary, I'm glad I passed. Fuck, I remember my hype for Hawken dying when I saw it was going to be f2p.

[–] Toga65@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

I miss Hawken so god damned much..

Perfect example of a game that could easily have been community hosted

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 46 minutes ago

I strongly dislike the end-around that these "live service" games are trying to do around copyright law. I'm a strong proponent of the idea that intellectual property law is a compromise. You get some time to make your money on your idea, then it becomes the heritage of all mankind. Treating games as a service is an attempt to weasel out of their end of the bargain.

So I don't fucking buy them.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 hours ago

I don't know who are these people. And they have achieved in record time that I never want to really heard them anymore.

[–] LorIps@lemmy.world 26 points 8 hours ago

Dear Video Games Europe!

Bullshit.

Best Wishes,

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

i predicted this

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Predicted what?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 hour ago

This

[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 49 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.

<Oh no this would kill live service games

[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 hour ago

nah, it would not. it's just another lie. release the server code and leave, no worries.

[–] Whitebrow@lemmy.world 121 points 17 hours ago (30 children)

“many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only”

So change your design? The corporate mind cannot comprehend this.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 13 hours ago

"many titles are designed from the ground-up to be rent seeking"

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